Pa. High School Under Fire Over Quote FromHitler in Yearbook

Castout · 08-27-10, 02:37 AM

"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Adolf Hitler, the fool that attacked everybody just because he thought he could.

I don't believe it was a mistake ever.

The student or whoever wrote that identify with the quote which Hitler had spoken.

It's as simple as that.

It is disturbing because when a person much more a young student identifies with that sentence then the sake of achieving goal justifies any method which actually doesn't!

When taken as an intrinsic value that sentence would make people as corrupt as their desires take and make them.

The problem is if everybody adopts the same kind of stance (even to varying degree) then everything will become chaotic, crumble and every mankind civilization and society as we know now will come to end and we all be living like savages.

That quote is A MAJOR FAIL!

Even if Hitler had won WWII and ruled the entire world.

When men regress their civilization will too. That is a guarantee!

08-27-10, 04:46 AM

I see nothing wrong with the quote.

"The end justifies the means." Machiaveli
That's a whole lot colder than the quote from Hitler, and I learned it in school.
Double standard???

antikristuseke · 08-27-10, 04:54 AM

I fail to see a problem with quoting Hitler in a school yearbook. It is not like that quote is espousing genocide or proclaiming superiority of any race over another. The fact that the person quotes was an insane little **** does not make the quote itself any less valid.

Castout · 08-27-10, 04:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Snestorm

I see nothing wrong with the quote.

"The end justifies the means." Machiaveli
That's a whole lot colder than the quote from Hitler, and I learned it in school.
Double standard???

Machiaveli....no surprise personally I hate the guy's ideals that has inspired many crook political leaders and tyrants. Those people were or are successful because the others couldn't afford to go as low or lower . . . .It's amazing(or disgusting) how successful you can get when you live a life without moral consideration at all of course if done with proper intelligence or cunning because the truth is most capable men just can't afford reducing themselves to that kind of low point.

The motto which I believe:
Believe in nothing but your own desires, regard nothing but your own desires, do anything to make them happen. Freedom to be an anarchist without being thought one or even admitting to that. There's NO LAW from above or below to ever be heeded AT ALL but your own desires except when it's directly and as long as it is profitable. Befriend those you cannot fight against, avoid and fool those you can't win against and befriend but crush any other perceived threats otherwise, the sooner the better.

Total anarchy.
No form no ideals no principles, only desires and opportunities that come to make them happen. NOTHING IS SACRED.
Live to worship your own desires. Die in satisfaction.

Skybird · 08-27-10, 05:30 AM

Machiaveli is easy to be misunderstood as thus to be seen as a moron. I have read his major works and an extensive biography on him by one of the leading authors about him. He wasn't that moral moron (with the exception with his many relations to women, maybe

) He just was not too sentimental when assessing what works with leading the pack, and what not. He was a very dedicated realist, and he realised that lie and betrayal as well as manipulating people are the rules by which the game of power is played. He did not say that that is good or bad - he just said that that is how it is.

I recommend his Discorsi before any other of his works.

He also ws an admirer of the early Roman republic. That he had intimate knowledge of Roman history and about the names of it's poltical figures, you can easily see in the Discorsi.

To me he is not so much showing how morally crippled he was when revealing how politics get done by manipulation. He just pointed at the obvious. seen that way, he more revealed how morally crippled we all are - because we function in that way that we accept getting manipulated if only our superficial desires get pleased.

The power of the tyrant - needs the weakness and stupdity of those he rules. Philantropists tend to deny or ignoire that, claiming that it would be offending to say that. Machiaveli just showed the obvious, even if it is no compliment for us. In principle, he was just an unsentimental realist.

On the Hitler quote, one or two guys said that nothing is wrong with it. First, I do not know the context of the quote, if he said that in a context of wiping out the Jews, than obviously the quote is far from being "okay". Second, it is not only important what a quote says, but also, who the author of that quote is. And to refer to one of the worst criminals in mankind's history in order to make a moral or otherwise claimed reasonable statement, maybe is not the best of ideas. At best it helps to reinstall that criminal's bad reputation. And one must ask if that can be wanted in the case of Hitler. what's next, then? Taking simple ohrases from his speeches and rip them out of context of his policy and deeds and putting him side by side with pacifists and great philosophers of past times?

Castout · 08-27-10, 06:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Machiaveli is easy to be misunderstood as thus to be seen as a moron.

He's not a moron he's a jerk

.

I'm no fan obviously

Raptor1 · 08-27-10, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castout

"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Adolf Hitler, the fool that attacked everybody just because he thought he could.

I don't believe it was a mistake ever.

The student or whoever wrote that identify with the quote which Hitler had spoken.

It's as simple as that.

It is disturbing because when a person much more a young student identifies with that sentence then the sake of achieving goal justifies any method which actually doesn't!

When taken as an intrinsic value that sentence would make people as corrupt as their desires take and make them.

The problem is if everybody adopts the same kind of stance (even to varying degree) then everything will become chaotic, crumble and every mankind civilization and society as we know now will come to end and we all be living like savages.

That quote is A MAJOR FAIL!

Even if Hitler had won WWII and ruled the entire world.

When men regress their civilization will too. That is a guarantee!

I would have thought whoever put it in there identifies with the quote in the sense that 'success matters', or something like that, not that it matters in any cost. Anyone who quotes Hitler in a yearbook might well be ignorant enough not to understand the meaning of the quote.

Castout · 08-27-10, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1

I would have thought whoever put it in there identifies with the quote in the sense that 'success matters', or something like that, not that it matters in any cost.

It would mean that way had he not put Hitler nor Machiaveli after the sentence

.

For example
Had he written

"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Lord Jesus Christ

it would mean entirely different than

"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Adolvie Hitler

but we all know Christ never said that

Raptor1 · 08-27-10, 06:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castout

It would mean that way had he not put Hitler nor Machiaveli after the sentence

.

Yes, and it would also mean that way if he didn't understand the quote or who it was that said it. There are plenty of stupid people around...

EDIT: I suppose it could also have been some kind of joke as well.

By the way, I have never heard of this quote before, anyone know an actual source for it?

SteamWake · 08-27-10, 07:59 AM

Golly gee big news some kid at some obscure high school puts something stupid / provacative in their year book. Like that never happens.

Now its national news

How about that flood anyhow

TLAM Strike · 08-27-10, 09:40 AM

Lets play: Identify that quote!

"Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism."

"Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed."

"Let us pray in this hour that nothing can divide us, and that God will help us against the Devil! Almighty Lord, bless our fight!"

"It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and cross himself with holy water than for these people to comprehend the ideas which are accepted facts to us today."

"Nothing is more precious than Independence and Liberty."

"Maybe you're afraid of sinking. Don't think about it. If you don't think about it, you won't sink. If you do, you will."

"Politics is war without bloodshed, while war is politics with bloodshed."

"Ideas do not need weapons, if they can convince the great masses."

"I am confident that the day is not far distant when the light of peace shine again."

antikristuseke · 08-27-10, 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castout

It would mean that way had he not put Hitler nor Machiaveli after the sentence

.

For example
Had he written

"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Lord Jesus Christ

it would mean entirely different than

"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Adolvie Hitler

but we all know Christ never said that

How would a sentence change its meaning depending on who authored it?
I mean the quote itself is pretty much just a paraphrasing of "the only thing that matters is winning", not exactly ideal guideline to live a compassionate life by, but it would sound just as cold and uncaring if the saintliest person on Earth said it.

Castout · 08-27-10, 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

How would a sentence change its meaning depending on who authored it?
I mean the quote itself is pretty much just a paraphrasing of "the only thing that matters is winning", not exactly ideal guideline to live a compassionate life by, but it would sound just as cold and uncaring if the saintliest person on Earth said it.

No actually the author life is what gives meaning to the sentence.

It may not be obvious but hardly anything in life does anymore

There's a very big big difference had those words been spoken by Christ or Hitler.

But I'm not going to explain it maybe in time you'll tell the difference

Besides explaining it takes away the fun deciphering it...and it's beside the point..as it was just an example.

It would also change meaning had Lance Armstrong for example been the one who said it.
Or even some unknown student.

08-27-10, 02:37 AM	#1
Castout Silent Hunter Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Jakarta Posts: 4,794 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 6	"And in the last analysis, success is what matters," -Adolf Hitler, the fool that attacked everybody just because he thought he could. I don't believe it was a mistake ever. The student or whoever wrote that identify with the quote which Hitler had spoken. It's as simple as that. It is disturbing because when a person much more a young student identifies with that sentence then the sake of achieving goal justifies any method which actually doesn't! When taken as an intrinsic value that sentence would make people as corrupt as their desires take and make them. The problem is if everybody adopts the same kind of stance (even to varying degree) then everything will become chaotic, crumble and every mankind civilization and society as we know now will come to end and we all be living like savages. That quote is A MAJOR FAIL! Even if Hitler had won WWII and ruled the entire world. When men regress their civilization will too. That is a guarantee! __________________ My blog: http://exposingsingapore.wordpress.com/

08-27-10, 05:30 AM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,638 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Machiaveli is easy to be misunderstood as thus to be seen as a moron. I have read his major works and an extensive biography on him by one of the leading authors about him. He wasn't that moral moron (with the exception with his many relations to women, maybe ) He just was not too sentimental when assessing what works with leading the pack, and what not. He was a very dedicated realist, and he realised that lie and betrayal as well as manipulating people are the rules by which the game of power is played. He did not say that that is good or bad - he just said that that is how it is. I recommend his Discorsi before any other of his works. He also ws an admirer of the early Roman republic. That he had intimate knowledge of Roman history and about the names of it's poltical figures, you can easily see in the Discorsi. To me he is not so much showing how morally crippled he was when revealing how politics get done by manipulation. He just pointed at the obvious. seen that way, he more revealed how morally crippled we all are - because we function in that way that we accept getting manipulated if only our superficial desires get pleased. The power of the tyrant - needs the weakness and stupdity of those he rules. Philantropists tend to deny or ignoire that, claiming that it would be offending to say that. Machiaveli just showed the obvious, even if it is no compliment for us. In principle, he was just an unsentimental realist. On the Hitler quote, one or two guys said that nothing is wrong with it. First, I do not know the context of the quote, if he said that in a context of wiping out the Jews, than obviously the quote is far from being "okay". Second, it is not only important what a quote says, but also, who the author of that quote is. And to refer to one of the worst criminals in mankind's history in order to make a moral or otherwise claimed reasonable statement, maybe is not the best of ideas. At best it helps to reinstall that criminal's bad reputation. And one must ask if that can be wanted in the case of Hitler. what's next, then? Taking simple ohrases from his speeches and rip them out of context of his policy and deeds and putting him side by side with pacifists and great philosophers of past times? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-27-10, 07:59 AM	#10
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Golly gee big news some kid at some obscure high school puts something stupid / provacative in their year book. Like that never happens. Now its national news How about that flood anyhow __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

08-27-10, 09:40 AM	#11
TLAM Strike Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Rochester, New York Posts: 8,633 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 6	Lets play: Identify that quote! "Anti-Semitism, as an extreme form of racial chauvinism, is the most dangerous vestige of cannibalism." "Education is a weapon whose effects depend on who holds it in his hands and at whom it is aimed." "Let us pray in this hour that nothing can divide us, and that God will help us against the Devil! Almighty Lord, bless our fight!" "It would be easier for the Devil to go to church and cross himself with holy water than for these people to comprehend the ideas which are accepted facts to us today." "Nothing is more precious than Independence and Liberty." "Maybe you're afraid of sinking. Don't think about it. If you don't think about it, you won't sink. If you do, you will." "Politics is war without bloodshed, while war is politics with bloodshed." "Ideas do not need weapons, if they can convince the great masses." "I am confident that the day is not far distant when the light of peace shine again." __________________

08-27-10, 04:46 AM	#2
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I see nothing wrong with the quote. "The end justifies the means." Machiaveli That's a whole lot colder than the quote from Hitler, and I learned it in school. Double standard???

08-27-10, 04:54 AM	#3
antikristuseke Silent Hunter Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Estland Posts: 4,330 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I fail to see a problem with quoting Hitler in a school yearbook. It is not like that quote is espousing genocide or proclaiming superiority of any race over another. The fact that the person quotes was an insane little **** does not make the quote itself any less valid.