Russia Sets Date for Iran to Go Nuclear - Page 2

Gerald · 08-21-10, 10:09 AM

With Russian help, Iranian engineers began loading fuel into the country's first nuclear power plant Saturday, marking a milestone in Tehran's development of what it insists is a peaceful nuclear energy program.

A top Iranian official, however, was quoted saying Iran will continue to enrich uranium on the side -- despite a White House warning that Iran does need the enrichment program once the new Bushehr reactor

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08...clear-reactor/

Note:Published August 21, 2010

Gerald · 08-21-10, 01:10 PM

Now they are in the pipeline ..

Konovalov · 08-21-10, 07:29 PM

I don't think the nuclear powerplant is a big deal. Aren't the Russians running the plant for the next 3 years and isn't part of the deal that the Russians get to take home all the nuclear waste so they can recycle and sell again? The problem is Iran's enrichment program and the centrifuges they are building up. This nuclear powerplant is a side issue. It may not even work.

Platapus · 08-22-10, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

I don't think the nuclear powerplant is a big deal. Aren't the Russians running the plant for the next 3 years and isn't part of the deal that the Russians get to take home all the nuclear waste so they can recycle and sell again? The problem is Iran's enrichment program and the centrifuges they are building up. This nuclear powerplant is a side issue. It may not even work.

Plus the fact that IAEA will be there monitoring everything at the reactor. I agree, this is small spuds.

Skybird · 08-22-10, 08:00 AM

In ten years, so say the treaties, the operation of Busher will be given completely into Iranian hands. And nothing tells us that they will play by the rules and allow the IAEA forever to monitor what is going on. If Saddam threw inspectors out and cut camera wires, the Iranians can do that anytime as well. Not just in ten years, but right now. Who would stop them from doing so?

It is not helpful to trust in bits of papers. Because it is just bits of paper. The trust invested into them is just expression of the deperate hope for a reasonable outcome and that conflict can be avoided. But bits of paper are just bits of paper. And Iran does not hold any reputation of being a trustworthy regime - what point is there in trusting treaties with an untrustworthy regime? If it sees a chance to cheat and betray, it will do - papertreaties yes or no.

the Russians have strong own interests, mainly weapon deliveries for cash. also: Caspian oil reserves are somethingnthat Moscow hopes to secure more effectively if conflict with Teheran can be avoided.

What is reasonable in all this is to trust into the other side acting according to its interests, and getting nuclear weapons at all cost is in iranian interest. that they will try anything possible to realise that option - that is what we can trust into. The IAEA has little to say in that - even more so with such a miserable record of bias and opportunism as it has accumulated under Baradei.

Lesson learned in chess: do not depend your calculations on your opponent making weak moves. Alsways plan on the basis of him making the strongest moves available to him. If you base on assumptions that he would behave stupid, chances are that the match shows that you are playing stupid yourself. And the west, with the endless chain of ultimatus and demands that enver have had any serious conseqeunces that would really hurt Iran, is playing the match very stupid since over ten years now.

All in the name of meaning it well, of course. Who cares for good intentions? I don't. Good intentions are worth nothing. Not what I mean or intent to acchieve, but what I actually reach in effect is what counts.

Right now, Busher is no big problem. But it could become one.

Jimbuna · 08-22-10, 08:33 AM

Yeah, I agree....it's the possible implications of what will happen in the future when full control is handed over to the Iranians that is most concerning.

XabbaRus · 08-22-10, 11:24 AM

Would it not be easier to build a new reactor to produce the required weapons grade uranium?

Converting a reactor that was built by someone else is not easy.

Gerald · 08-22-10, 01:01 PM

and to cover the above, is with this reactor,is also "a way to get the world in one's mind to think only of weapons purposes.

Gerald · 08-25-10, 08:45 AM

deposits inside the country.TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's nuclear chief says the priority after the September startup of Bushehr nuclear power plant wil be to search for new uranium deposits inside the country.

Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi told the official IRNA news agency Wednesday that only one-third of the country has been explored for uranium deposits.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08...nside-country/

Note:Published August 25, 2010

yubba · 08-25-10, 03:07 PM

If Iran wants nuclear weapons , I think we should give them some. 24 empty tubes and a mushroom cloud it's Miller Time.

Platapus · 08-25-10, 03:17 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba

If Iran wants nuclear weapons , I think we should give them some. 24 empty tubes and a mushroom cloud it's Miller Time.

Isn't the attacking of innocent citizens because of what a government may have done a tactic of terrorists?

Tchocky · 08-25-10, 03:19 PM

No, this is attacking innocents because of what a government hasn't done yet. It's totally different.

Platapus · 08-25-10, 04:00 PM

pre-emptive terrorism?
I am sure there are those in favour of it.

Bilge_Rat · 08-25-10, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

Isn't the attacking of innocent citizens because of what a government may have done a tactic of terrorists?

You mean like the carpet bombing and slaughter of millions of japanese, german, korean and vietnamese civilians by the U.S. in ww2, the korean war and the vietnam war?

TLAM Strike · 08-25-10, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

You mean like the carpet bombing and slaughter of millions of japanese, german, korean and vietnamese civilians by the U.S. in ww2, the korean war and the vietnam war?

Or the slaughter of Civilians done by the IJA, the SS, the Korean People's Army, or the Vietcong?

08-21-10, 10:09 AM	#16
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Iran Keeps Nuclear Options Open as First,Power Plant Comes Online With Russian help, Iranian engineers began loading fuel into the country's first nuclear power plant Saturday, marking a milestone in Tehran's development of what it insists is a peaceful nuclear energy program. A top Iranian official, however, was quoted saying Iran will continue to enrich uranium on the side -- despite a White House warning that Iran does need the enrichment program once the new Bushehr reactor http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08...clear-reactor/ Note:Published August 21, 2010 __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-21-10, 01:10 PM	#17
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Iran's first nuclear plant begins fueling Now they are in the pipeline .. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-21-10, 07:29 PM	#18
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	I don't think the nuclear powerplant is a big deal. Aren't the Russians running the plant for the next 3 years and isn't part of the deal that the Russians get to take home all the nuclear waste so they can recycle and sell again? The problem is Iran's enrichment program and the centrifuges they are building up. This nuclear powerplant is a side issue. It may not even work. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

08-22-10, 08:00 AM	#20
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,712 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	In ten years, so say the treaties, the operation of Busher will be given completely into Iranian hands. And nothing tells us that they will play by the rules and allow the IAEA forever to monitor what is going on. If Saddam threw inspectors out and cut camera wires, the Iranians can do that anytime as well. Not just in ten years, but right now. Who would stop them from doing so? It is not helpful to trust in bits of papers. Because it is just bits of paper. The trust invested into them is just expression of the deperate hope for a reasonable outcome and that conflict can be avoided. But bits of paper are just bits of paper. And Iran does not hold any reputation of being a trustworthy regime - what point is there in trusting treaties with an untrustworthy regime? If it sees a chance to cheat and betray, it will do - papertreaties yes or no. the Russians have strong own interests, mainly weapon deliveries for cash. also: Caspian oil reserves are somethingnthat Moscow hopes to secure more effectively if conflict with Teheran can be avoided. What is reasonable in all this is to trust into the other side acting according to its interests, and getting nuclear weapons at all cost is in iranian interest. that they will try anything possible to realise that option - that is what we can trust into. The IAEA has little to say in that - even more so with such a miserable record of bias and opportunism as it has accumulated under Baradei. Lesson learned in chess: do not depend your calculations on your opponent making weak moves. Alsways plan on the basis of him making the strongest moves available to him. If you base on assumptions that he would behave stupid, chances are that the match shows that you are playing stupid yourself. And the west, with the endless chain of ultimatus and demands that enver have had any serious conseqeunces that would really hurt Iran, is playing the match very stupid since over ten years now. All in the name of meaning it well, of course. Who cares for good intentions? I don't. Good intentions are worth nothing. Not what I mean or intent to acchieve, but what I actually reach in effect is what counts. Right now, Busher is no big problem. But it could become one. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-22-10, 08:33 AM	#21
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,914 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Yeah, I agree....it's the possible implications of what will happen in the future when full control is handed over to the Iranians that is most concerning. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

08-22-10, 11:24 AM	#22
XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Would it not be easier to build a new reactor to produce the required weapons grade uranium? Converting a reactor that was built by someone else is not easy. __________________

08-22-10, 01:01 PM	#23
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Safe easier to build a new, but it costs, and to cover the above, is with this reactor,is also "a way to get the world in one's mind to think only of weapons purposes. __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-25-10, 08:45 AM	#24
Gerald SUBSIM Newsman Join Date: May 2008 Location: Close to sea Posts: 24,254 Downloads: 553 Uploads: 0	Iran says its priority is to explore new uranium, deposits inside the country.TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran's nuclear chief says the priority after the September startup of Bushehr nuclear power plant wil be to search for new uranium deposits inside the country. Vice President Ali Akbar Salehi told the official IRNA news agency Wednesday that only one-third of the country has been explored for uranium deposits. http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/08...nside-country/ Note:Published August 25, 2010 __________________ Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood. Marie Curie

08-25-10, 03:07 PM	#25
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	If Iran wants nuclear weapons , I think we should give them some. 24 empty tubes and a mushroom cloud it's Miller Time.

08-25-10, 03:19 PM	#27
Tchocky Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2004 Posts: 5,874 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	No, this is attacking innocents because of what a government hasn't done yet. It's totally different. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

08-25-10, 04:00 PM	#28
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,395 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	pre-emptive terrorism? I am sure there are those in favour of it. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.