Finally Sunk The Yamato!

[Armistead]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Somehow, I knew you would say that.
Hey, I had to take the shot, even if it was a "Gimmie". I've come across the Y at least a half dozen times in the past couple of years but, every single time, it was happenstance (no radar, etc.) and/or she was just out of range of my torps. Once, I even had a full load of Mk-23s but on that occasion, she was just over 5000yds by the time I got into a firing position. I sank one of the outer Kongos in that TF. Was weird how my PC would CTD every time I tried to take a SS while at Truk.

As good as you are with history using RSRD you should have no problem finding the Yamato several places making speed, well escorted.....

Then come brag....

Seriously, I thought you've sunk it many times....so congrats. I'll harbor rape Truk once in 43 every career, but I don't go for the Y anymore. I'll take out a couple carriers, a BB , couple CA's, ect...Get more points that way.

Is sad you sink a Y and get just a bronze. MY wife sends you a kiss.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by Armistead

MY wife sends you a kiss.

Tell her I said thanks. BTW, tell her I like bright red lipstick too.

[tater]

I've scratched her paint a few times, not sunk her though, I am never in position for more than a long range hail mary.

I need to finish my "controlled mines" mod, then Truk would be rather more difficult.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by tater

I've scratched her paint a few times, not sunk her though, I am never in position for more than a long range hail mary.

I need to finish my "controlled mines" mod, then Truk would be rather more difficult.

Yes, I must admit, though this was my very first foray into Truk lagoon, I was rather surprised at the relative ease with which I was able to enter, and then linger about. Maybe they thought an enemy sub would never dare to enter the lion's den.

[tater]

Originally Posted by WernherVonTrapp

Yes, I must admit, though this was my very first foray into Truk lagoon, I was rather surprised at the relative ease with which I was able to enter, and then linger about. Maybe they thought an enemy sub would never dare to enter the lion's den.

The game doesn't model atolls at all (snicker).

Sneaking into harbors or places like Truk is cheating, frankly, given the game engine. No reefs, weak terrain and sea modeling (shallows, sand bars, currents, tides). Sneaking around Truk should be scary from a TERRAIN standpoint, screw the IJN. Think about currents, for example. Read PRs, and there were times during long DC attacks, etc, where boats were moving more from currents than under power submerged. Sneaking someplace underwater means conserving juice... imagine if you had to use ahead full submerged just to make headway...

Since the AI ships have to be able to get out, any reefs, etc, cannot be too closed in, or the AI will crash. Mines or subnets (the latter as subnets, or analogs for reefs) cannot be too shallow for the same reason.

Bottom line is that it will always be far too easy. Back when I was working on my campaign, I liberally seeded all the deep water at Truk with mines. The deep bits INSIDE, that is. Wake them up then try to sit in a deep pool... bad idea.

It was more punishment for people sneaking in, frankly.

Monitored mines would go a long way. You'd pass the entrance, and every ASW platform within many miles would make a beeline for you. (these are in effect mines with hydrophones, they don't explode, they detect you. While they were mostly used around Japan, my plan was to liberally dose harbors with them to keep players honest.

[Gibus]

Originally Posted by tater

.... my plan was to liberally dose harbors with them to keep players honest.

I totally understand your point of view, but we can not say that Günther Prien or Mush Morton was dishonest, no?

[tater]

Originally Posted by Gibus

I totally understand your point of view, but we can not say that Günther Prien or Mush Morton was dishonest, no?

Morton nosed into an anchorage.*



*Based on what I wrote, that seems to be brushing it off. Quite the contrary. Nosing into an incredibly open harbor like Wewak was literally MoH level stuff. It was insane, and audacious.

Compare that harbor to Truk. Or any of the many harbors you are ordered to penetrate in the absurd stock campaign (then take pictures, as if the intel on the ships brought back in a few WEEKS would have any value). Nosing into Truk would have been insane. Going all the way in? LOL.

[WernherVonTrapp]

Originally Posted by tater

Sneaking around Truk should be scary from a TERRAIN standpoint, screw the IJN. Think about currents, for example. Read PRs, and there were times during long DC attacks, etc, where boats were moving more from currents than under power submerged. Sneaking someplace underwater means conserving juice... imagine if you had to use ahead full submerged just to make headway...

It was more punishment for people sneaking in, frankly.

Hmmmm, you're absolutely right. It's funny how I never even (really) considered that, and that's knowing full well of the perils of entering the Mediterranean (submerged) through the strait of Gibralter. The current there was tantamount (metaphorically) to an atmospheric jetstream. I was expecting, at least, a DD or two to be sitting and waiting at every ingress/egress but, nary a DD was to be found inside the entire lagoon. Just a Small Subchaser that litterally moved to and fro along a plot line I was able to draw upon. After sinking the Y, the subchaser just, well, up and vanished.