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Your radar tells you their position, heading and speed. Their radar detector tells them you're out there somewhere. They have no direction finding activity. There is no magic scope showing them the same blip on a screen you see. All they can say is "Yep, there's a radar out there somewhere." Advantage you!
Leave the blasted thing on 24 hours a day. When they detect you it only scares them because they know what follows the radar signals. ![]()
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Then how come they come right to you? I assume surface radar, but playing with it, I can cut my radar off for a minute, back on and the escort will have headed back, but will turn back around. With surface radar they will run right up your arse in a storm.
I've played with it and it just seems if you cut your radar off, many times the escort will turn back. Any idea on radar detection range and radar range? I would think detection would be further. Be nice if we had a good explanation regarding TMO/RFB is the radar detection is actually directional in the game itself, sure seems so. |
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If it is pinpoint directional I vote that it be changed because it is not accurate the way it is.Like has been said they only knew "Oh somewhere out there is radar where ever shall we being to look?" not "Ah ha the radar is coming from there!"
I am no expert but I'd say that radar range would have to be much farther than anything detecting it would be the device would have to be inside the waves to know that waves where even preset after all. |
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It's clear from Joe Enright's book Shinano that he knew they could detect his signal and knew very well that they could have no idea where it was coming from in 1944. The way the battle played out proved that fact.
In the event, the Japanese admiral detected the signal, took it to be a brazen signal that there was a wolfpack out there and acted accordingly, turning neatly in front of Archerfish, which was up to that point maneuvered completely out of any possible attack, and ensuring the demise of his carrier. Had he had any directional capability at all he could have vectored in his three destroyers and chewed up Archerfish like a pack of dogs on a milk bone.
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We know they had no true directional detection in reality....we're talking game wise, sure seems they do to me.
It's strange they head right to your position on a dime from over 12 nm's away, changing course as quickly as you do. How to know if it's surface radar or if they're detecting your radar is beyond me, just that I can turn my radar off and usually they will turn back. With TMO in a storm I've had many a escort run right up my arse, so with TMO their surface radar is rather perfect. |
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Even though some USN Captains (quite renowned ones too) may have mistakenly believed that the Japanese had radar detection capabilities, whether by sheer coincidence or rampant scuttlebutt, the facts point to the contrary. I have done some extensive research on this subject and, despite some (probably) overexaggerated claims made by one Japanese officer during postwar interrogations, the facts disprove these claims/beliefs. The most comprehensive book I've seen so far on the subject of WWII Radar, "A Radar History of World War II: Technical and Military Imperatives -Louis Brown", indicates clearly that the Japanese just did not have that capability.
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Armistead's point, once again, is that (history aside) the IJN sure seem to have DF capabilities in the game. I use TMO and I concur w/ his assessment.
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