E.T. a machine

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Did you watch the video I posted a link to? The USAF was (credibly) talking about building nuclear powered space battleships capable of devastating entire planets back in late 1950s!

Personally I prefer us to advertise our presence with a fleet of these entering E.T. home system.

unfortunately, I cant watch youtube from here.

of course, we have to consider the possibility that any space weapon we build might be as useless as Nelson's 1805 fleet would be in 2010.

The human race right now may be in the same position as the Native Americans in 1491 before they were "discovered" by "civilized" europeans. We all know how well that turned out...

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

unfortunately, I cant watch youtube from here.

Been there and know how it feels.

of course, we have to consider the possibility that any space weapon we build might be as useless as Nelson's 1805 fleet would be in 2010.

100 something 1800s cannons targeting a civilian population center could be nasty today. Same could be said for an Orion, simply use it to divert a bunch of asteroids toward E.T. homeworld.

The human race right now may be in the same position as the Native Americans in 1491 before they were "discovered" by "civilized" europeans. We all know how well that turned out...

Yea they got casinos, and don't have to pay taxes!

Don't forget an "Injin" bow and arrow could kill a European easily and fire far more rounds per minute that a musket or rifled musket. It wasn't until the repeating rifle (like the Henry or Winchester) that the whites gained superiority. Of course at Custer's Last Stand take a guess what some of the Lakota and Cheyenne were armed with? Yep repeating rifles, stolen, captured or traded for.

[Skybird]

When assessing the developement gap between man and ET from one of those advanced 100.000 civilisations I calculated somehwere above, then we do not talk of a gap in time of just 500 years. More like 5 million years and 5 hundred million years.

That's what makes all this speculation just a mixture of 1. typical human antropomorphising, and 2. - well, right that: ungrounded speculation.

In the 80s there was this TV series, "V". Back then, as a teen I thought it was cool, to soem degree. But if you look at it more closely, it simply is the most absurd nonsense you can think of. "Dallas" in space, "Dynasty" with funny costumes.

But I had a crush on that cute, blond good looking girl leading the resistance group.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

When assessing the developement gap between man and ET from one of those advanced 100.000 civilisations I calculated somehwere above, then we do not talk of a gap in time of just 500 years. More like 5 million years and 5 hundred million years.

Such lengths of time do creditably to the theory that any advanced civlzation out there would be now extinct.

In the 80s there was this TV series, "V". Back then, as a teen I thought it was cool, to soem degree. But if you look at it more closely, it simply is the most absurd nonsense you can think of. "Dallas" in space, "Dynasty" with funny costumes.

Plus they were after our water, the most abundant chemical compound in the universe.

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by Skybird

That's what makes all this speculation just a mixture of......ungrounded speculation.

is'nt that what the whole GT forum is about...

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Such lengths of time do creditably to the theory that any advanced civlzation out there would be now extinct.

Maybe. But you overlook that there are those other civilisations that also come in legions that exist right now and still can be avdanced to us by hundreds of thousands of years - and just have had not the needed time to reach us in communication and that our radio signals have not had the time to reach them.

if we would have an intended target receiver of our message, maybe he would be so far away that he has gone missing when our message finally reaches him in some thousand years. But others who have not been there when we hit the transit button, may pick it up, may reply - and wonder why they never get an answer from us.

Because we will go missing sooner or later, too. - I mentioned the cosmic calender analogy earlier, somewhere above. If the 14 billion years since the big Bang would be scaled to match one regular Earth year, and our present now would represent the 31. Decembre at 23:59:59 hours, then the milky way formed up sometime during February, and the solar system formed up early September. The dinosaurs would have appeared on the 28. Decembre and died on 30. Decembre. Early hominides saw the light of earth on 31.12. at around 9 pm, just 3 hours ago. The pyramides were built 11 seconds ago, and you and me were born around just 1 tenth of a second ago. The dinosaurs died yesterday. In real life, that one day in the analogy is 65 million of our Earth years.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Maybe. But you overlook that there are those other civilisations that also come in legions that exist right now and still can be avdanced to us by hundreds of thousands of years - and just have had not the needed time to reach us in communication and that our radio signals have not had the time to reach them.

True but this is where relativity and time dilation messes things up. IIRC You are a fan of Joe Halderman's The Forever War so you might be familiar with this scenario.

Lets say tomorrow our first high powered radio signal arrives at a inhabited star system say Zeta Leporis 70 light years away. The Leporians send their invasion fleet to Sol just under the Speed of Light .9999 c. When they arrive 70 years from now (their time) the human race is now 3,528,000 years older they when they left their homeworld.

Now if their ships were not quite that fast, say .9 c then we only advance only 102,200 years since their departure.

100,000 years basically equals humans going from developing primitive language and finding out that deer hides can be worn over their bodies to humans developing the internet and finding out that men don't want women to cover their bodies with deer hides.

When E.T. arrives we maybe more advanced then them.