[WIP] IRAI (Intelligent Random AI) - Page 43

TheDarkWraith · 08-23-10, 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragtag

The "no sonar on surface" fix kills underwater sonar to.

what do you mean?

PL_Andrev · 08-23-10, 04:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ragtag

The "no sonar on surface" fix kills underwater sonar to.

Use "sober's hydrophone fix".
With this mod I have no problem on or under surface.

TheDarkWraith · 08-23-10, 06:58 PM

Antar's posts about his testing with v0.0.21 caused me to dig deeper into the ship AI and see what was going on. I found more logic errors and bugs

A big bug was with the merchant evade tactics. Although the merchant leader delegated roles to the ships, the ships were unable to fulfill those roles due to an error in my code. Antar that is why the DDs kept a solid formation as you mentioned.

So far here's what's fixed in v0.0.22:
v0.0.22 - more bug fixing in ship's tactics
- fixed bug of escorts coming to all stop when they are assigned the role of guard convoy and they have a contact spotted
- fixed bug of merchant leading convoy with contact detected and loses contact it immediately starts following waypoints. Now it waits some period of time before switching back to following waypoints (in that period of time it will continue to evade by changing speed and course)
- gave the leader of a convoy that is not a merchant a specified time that it is allowed to use evade tactics (course and speed changes) when it has 'lost' it's contact
- fixed bug of HK director not sitting 'still' for any period of time

I'll be packaging up v0.0.22 for release here shortly.

Krauter · 08-23-10, 07:43 PM

Will I ever even make it to the 1/4 point of a patrol without a new version

You're the best lol

Krauter

TheDarkWraith · 08-23-10, 07:48 PM

the release of v0.0.22 is going to be a little longer than expected. Was testing a convoy with a merchant leader and found some big bugs. Basically I now have to account for all different kinds of contacts for a merchant convoy leader. This means lots of new tactics for it. Sigh.....Oh well, it will be killer when it complete

TheDarkWraith · 08-23-10, 09:38 PM

okay we have a serious problem that the devs need to look into and fix ASAP.....if you destroy the leader of a convoy another unit will take it's place....excellent. Here's the problem: that next unit is unable to set any tactics. There's something fundamentally wrong with the C++ code in this area. It wants to change to the tactic it wants but the call to Ship:SetTactic fails

All units that were assigned roles before the leader was killed keep the roles given to them also. They will not reset

SteelViking · 08-23-10, 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

okay we have a serious problem that the devs need to look into and fix ASAP.....if you destroy the leader of a convoy another unit will take it's place....excellent. Here's the problem: that next unit is unable to set any tactics. There's something fundamentally wrong with the C++ code in this area. It wants to change to the tactic it wants but the call to Ship:SetTactic fails

All units that were assigned roles before the leader was killed keep the roles given to them also. They will not reset

Crap, that is bad. Are you sure that you cannot fix it or at least find a work around?

TheDarkWraith · 08-23-10, 10:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SteelViking

Crap, that is bad. Are you sure that you cannot fix it or at least find a work around?

I think I have a work around

It's actually something that I should've done some time ago.
I put some conditional code in that says the leader can only set tactics if it's damage level is < some value. If it's greater than this value then all tactics and roles are removed and all ships in the convoy are in a free for all (they will act as independant units).
So far seems to be working ok but really won't know for sure until I release v0.0.22 and the work around gets tested by all (I can't test every possible scenario - it's just impossible to do)
I shouldn't have to do this work around - the game should handle this situation of leader being killed

THE_MASK · 08-23-10, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I think I have a work around

It's actually something that I should've done some time ago.
I put some conditional code in that says the leader can only set tactics if it's damage level is < some value. If it's greater than this value then all tactics and roles are removed and all ships in the convoy are in a free for all (they will act as independant units).
So far seems to be working ok but really won't know for sure until I release v0.0.22 and the work around gets tested by all (I can't test every possible scenario - it's just impossible to do)
I shouldn't have to do this work around - the game should handle this situation of leader being killed

Praise the Lord .

Sudo · 08-23-10, 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sober

Praise the Lord .

Amen. TDW, you're a hero!

SteelViking · 08-23-10, 10:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

I think I have a work around

It's actually something that I should've done some time ago.
I put some conditional code in that says the leader can only set tactics if it's damage level is < some value. If it's greater than this value then all tactics and roles are removed and all ships in the convoy are in a free for all (they will act as independant units).
So far seems to be working ok but really won't know for sure until I release v0.0.22 and the work around gets tested by all (I can't test every possible scenario - it's just impossible to do)
I shouldn't have to do this work around - the game should handle this situation of leader being killed

Hey, that is a really good idea anyway. I think that setup is pretty realistic. There is no excuse for the error in the devs coding, but at least you found a good solution.

TheDarkWraith · 08-23-10, 10:47 PM

was going to just arbitrarily pick a number out of thin air for the max damage that the commander can sustain before all tactics and roles get reset but then I remembered this crew state:

### ======= Ship state-machine: ABANDON ======= ###
strategy StateAbandon(Ship)
{
precond
{
Ship:GetDamage() >= MAX_DAMAGE_STATE_CHANGE
}

there's the magic number: MAX_DAMAGE_STATE_CHANGE (which is 0.9)

So there is what determines when the commander isn't a commander anymore

EDIT:

the work around I did didn't work correctly.....but I did manage to find another one that so far has been working perfectly!

EDIT2:

after multiple tests it's been discovered that any work around doesn't work all the time

This is a game breaker

Ragtag · 08-24-10, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheDarkWraith

what do you mean?

I mean sonar doesnt work at all, surfaced or submerged. No contacts detected or reported.

Zedi · 08-24-10, 02:56 AM

I confirm that too. No sonar contact at all at scope deepth, the sonar will start to work only after I dived deep. Last night got the same bug reported by the others, escorts had no reaction at all they just keep sailing and more than that.. they had no intention to avoid the merchants who break the formation... is like they sail in a parallel world. They even left the convoy alone by doing this.

Finally got something that I really liked.. the abandoned ship. Hit in the stern a merchie and instead of sailing away burning and smoking, she just stopped. And was not the engine hit, only the stern part was in flame and flooded. 2 bad that when I surfaced to finish it with the deck gun, she almost got me.. the most active gun was the one from the stern :/ Wish that an abandoned ship remain really abandoned...

By giving the convoy the FFA status is not like.. returning to the stock settings? Because that happens in the stock, is really a ffa.. wich means a complete chaos. Escorts engage the enemy, merchies sail all over around trying to escape.. the only problem was the dc's.. they never hit/damaged anything.

von faust · 08-24-10, 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by von faust

(excuse me for my bad English

)
Hi,I have activated this MOD

I have various contact near

....

At 12 meters the sonarman (and me !!!) does not listen anything

....

At 22 meters I listen the contact very well but the sonarman nothing !!!

......

Look my position, how is possible that the sonarman does not listen ????
I hope You undestand what I wrote

....

I have disabled all "no_hidrophone_on surface" MOD but I still have sound contact problem.
The "Report nearest sound contact" it's ok but when I use to "Follow nearest contact" I have "No sound contact"

08-23-10, 10:47 PM	#642
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	was going to just arbitrarily pick a number out of thin air for the max damage that the commander can sustain before all tactics and roles get reset but then I remembered this crew state: ### ======= Ship state-machine: ABANDON ======= ### strategy StateAbandon(Ship) { precond { Ship:GetDamage() >= MAX_DAMAGE_STATE_CHANGE } there's the magic number: MAX_DAMAGE_STATE_CHANGE (which is 0.9) So there is what determines when the commander isn't a commander anymore EDIT: the work around I did didn't work correctly.....but I did manage to find another one that so far has been working perfectly! EDIT2: after multiple tests it's been discovered that any work around doesn't work all the time This is a game breaker Last edited by TheDarkWraith; 08-24-10 at 01:01 AM.

08-23-10, 06:58 PM	#633
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	Antar's posts about his testing with v0.0.21 caused me to dig deeper into the ship AI and see what was going on. I found more logic errors and bugs A big bug was with the merchant evade tactics. Although the merchant leader delegated roles to the ships, the ships were unable to fulfill those roles due to an error in my code. Antar that is why the DDs kept a solid formation as you mentioned. So far here's what's fixed in v0.0.22: v0.0.22 - more bug fixing in ship's tactics - fixed bug of escorts coming to all stop when they are assigned the role of guard convoy and they have a contact spotted - fixed bug of merchant leading convoy with contact detected and loses contact it immediately starts following waypoints. Now it waits some period of time before switching back to following waypoints (in that period of time it will continue to evade by changing speed and course) - gave the leader of a convoy that is not a merchant a specified time that it is allowed to use evade tactics (course and speed changes) when it has 'lost' it's contact - fixed bug of HK director not sitting 'still' for any period of time I'll be packaging up v0.0.22 for release here shortly.

08-23-10, 07:48 PM	#635
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	the release of v0.0.22 is going to be a little longer than expected. Was testing a convoy with a merchant leader and found some big bugs. Basically I now have to account for all different kinds of contacts for a merchant convoy leader. This means lots of new tactics for it. Sigh.....Oh well, it will be killer when it complete

08-23-10, 09:38 PM	#636
TheDarkWraith Black Magic Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 11,962 Downloads: 147 Uploads: 5	okay we have a serious problem that the devs need to look into and fix ASAP.....if you destroy the leader of a convoy another unit will take it's place....excellent. Here's the problem: that next unit is unable to set any tactics. There's something fundamentally wrong with the C++ code in this area. It wants to change to the tactic it wants but the call to Ship:SetTactic fails All units that were assigned roles before the leader was killed keep the roles given to them also. They will not reset

08-24-10, 02:56 AM	#644
Zedi Sea Lord Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 1,845 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 2	I confirm that too. No sonar contact at all at scope deepth, the sonar will start to work only after I dived deep. Last night got the same bug reported by the others, escorts had no reaction at all they just keep sailing and more than that.. they had no intention to avoid the merchants who break the formation... is like they sail in a parallel world. They even left the convoy alone by doing this. Finally got something that I really liked.. the abandoned ship. Hit in the stern a merchie and instead of sailing away burning and smoking, she just stopped. And was not the engine hit, only the stern part was in flame and flooded. 2 bad that when I surfaced to finish it with the deck gun, she almost got me.. the most active gun was the one from the stern :/ Wish that an abandoned ship remain really abandoned... By giving the convoy the FFA status is not like.. returning to the stock settings? Because that happens in the stock, is really a ffa.. wich means a complete chaos. Escorts engage the enemy, merchies sail all over around trying to escape.. the only problem was the dc's.. they never hit/damaged anything.