Let's ban Taliban game - Page 3

Oberon · 08-23-10, 06:16 AM

Rape simulators? That'll be Japan then, already done, already done.

Honestly though, like Dowly says, this thing has been going on for ages just under a different name, insurgents, terrorists. Heck, look at Counter-Strike.

raymond6751 · 08-23-10, 06:29 AM

Playing at war is playing at killing people. Call the firing figure any name you want, but when a shot is fired in a game, it is intended to 'kill' an enemy figure.

Sensitive people won't be playing this game. If you have lost someone dear to you in that fight, you won't be buying a wargame and certainly not this one.

This, I think, comes under the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Expression, and poetic license kind of umbrella. Don't buy it if it offends.

Subnuts · 08-23-10, 07:11 AM

Weren't people having a fit four years ago when they learned that SH4 wasn't going to be another U-boat simulation?

Playing as the Taliban: Tasteless and offensive.
Playing as WWII German submarine commander, sinking allied ships and killing hundreds of people: AWESOME!

Jimbuna · 08-23-10, 07:40 AM

Bilge_Rat · 08-23-10, 07:58 AM

yes, all these controversies are silly.

It is perfectly acceptable to play as a waffen SS kampfgruppe commander mowing down allied troops in WW2, but not as an insurgent leader mowing down allied troops in 2010.

Raptor1 · 08-23-10, 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The Taliban's point of view is and should be of no concern for us.

I indeed supoort the idea that shooters should not enable the player to identify himself with any faction shown in the game on odeological grounds, especially when the faction is trying to simulate a faction from reality. Psychologically it makes a difference whether you shoot at the "blue Alliance" or Red Bots, or at Nazi figures, Allied aces or UN blue helmets. In the first case, you game against bits and bytes and oixels. In the second you haven given it a face, making you shooting at something that is a bit more human than just bits and bytes and pixels.

Leave it to "Bluefor" and "OpFor". does not change the mission a bit, nor the gameplay, but psychologically it makes a difference. Ort did oyu think the game "America's Army" is named like that just by random coincidence...? Here, the identification effect is a wanted ingrendient, since the game was designed to acchieve right this effect - for recruiting purposes. I oppose such projects.

Let's leave it to tactical challenge and strategic problems. It's like with sports shooters. These guys for the most to not imagine to shoot at real people, and they do not prject mental images of people they hate onto the target poster. They are about the mental focussing, calobrating the instrument, and getting a good point score for the series they fired. If one of them starts to pin photos of faces onto his target posters, I would avoid him at all costs (and report him to the staff).

Of course it changes things, otherwise there won't be any atmosphere or story, you would just go around shooting faceless mooks without any point. Sure, the game is about the same, but it would not be much fun.

Nobody playing such games is identifying with factions or imagining they're shooting at real people anyway, they are just playing a game.

DarkFish · 08-23-10, 08:52 AM

In the SH series you can play as the Nazis

Oh Nooooeeees! Ban it!!!!

08-23-10, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Raptor1

Nobody playing such games is identifying with factions or imagining they're shooting at real people anyway, they are just playing a game.

..and even if they ARE imagining they're shooting at real people, they are probably that type of person OUTSIDE of the game and the game is, if anything, PREVENTING violence by giving that person the medium to get out their violent tendencies, would you prefer that person take out his need to kill on real people or 3D models with textures?

G.K. · 08-23-10, 02:04 PM

I support the NATO troops in Afghanistan and I understand that many good soldiers lost their lives back there (even some Czechs, too...

), but isn't it jist a damn videogame after all? I can't understand why those things are confused with politics...

yubba · 08-23-10, 04:37 PM

We are really blessed to have the opportunity too play these historical accerate video games , and be able to learn from both sides of these games, history, weapons systems, and what the people might have gone through in real life. I for one about crapped my pants playin Metal of Honor, landing on Omaha Beach ,so it was a game it gave me a good idea what it was like , I got killed many times. My great uncle Willard was there, he survived it, and the rest of the war , though I never heard him talk about it, but he did give me a 8mm german mauser , he only said it was something he got in the war,so I got a good idea what he went through. Even playing real war games someone has too be the bad guy, you couldn't have a Top Gun without a aggressor squadron. No matter how tasteless something is it shouldn't be banned, it's not who we are as a people ,if you ban this game [ by the way where do you get it, and what's it call again] what's next.

TLAM Strike · 08-23-10, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

It is perfectly acceptable to play as a waffen SS kampfgruppe commander mowing down allied troops in WW2, but not as an insurgent leader mowing down allied troops in 2010.

NATO vs. Taliban isn't so bad, anyone remember the Kursk or Ponyri maps in Call of Duty? What side are we rooting for there?!

Konovalov · 08-23-10, 05:24 PM

Storm in a tea cup. Don't like it then don't buy it as is my intention.

Castout · 08-24-10, 04:05 AM

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Originally Posted by raymond6751

If you have lost someone dear to you in that fight, you won't be buying a wargame and certainly not this one.

yea that would be the best solution there is. Come to think of it the game may indeed bring distress to people who have lost their loved ones in similar circumstances in real life.

But the minister argument imo is still A FAIL that people would identify with the faction they play in game.
That's just inviting flaks.

I just killed 15 US Army soldiers playing as Takistan Army yesterday and the cruel thing I sniped them all with a 0.50 cal KSVK rifle(Russia's M107 equivalent), and they had no chance.... and I enjoyed playing every bit of it but does that make me a terrorist?! Ugh

But then again I killed many many more Takiban insurgents and Takistan Army playing as US Army solider in that same game . . . .because I'm very fond of the SCAR-H(Mk17) rifle only available to the US side in game . . .

Flaxpants · 08-24-10, 04:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Konovalov

Storm in a tea cup.

As I have a particular fondness for Tea cups, I find this remark rather offensive.

Arclight · 08-24-10, 04:20 AM

Just getting hung up on a word again. If they had changed 'Taliban' to 'Baliban' the whole thing would have flown under the radar.

08-23-10, 06:29 AM	#32
raymond6751 Admirable Mike Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Canada Posts: 1,338 Downloads: 421 Uploads: 0	Sensitive issues Playing at war is playing at killing people. Call the firing figure any name you want, but when a shot is fired in a game, it is intended to 'kill' an enemy figure. Sensitive people won't be playing this game. If you have lost someone dear to you in that fight, you won't be buying a wargame and certainly not this one. This, I think, comes under the Freedom of Speech, Freedom of Expression, and poetic license kind of umbrella. Don't buy it if it offends. __________________ Game Designer: Close The Atlantic - World War Three https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/...orld-war-three

08-23-10, 07:11 AM	#33
Subnuts The Old Man Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,658 Downloads: 14 Uploads: 0	Weren't people having a fit four years ago when they learned that SH4 wasn't going to be another U-boat simulation? Playing as the Taliban: Tasteless and offensive. Playing as WWII German submarine commander, sinking allied ships and killing hundreds of people: AWESOME! __________________ My Amazon.com reviews

08-23-10, 07:40 AM	#34
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 190,539 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	__________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! Last edited by Jimbuna; 08-23-10 at 11:32 AM.

08-23-10, 07:58 AM	#35
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	yes, all these controversies are silly. It is perfectly acceptable to play as a waffen SS kampfgruppe commander mowing down allied troops in WW2, but not as an insurgent leader mowing down allied troops in 2010. __________________

08-23-10, 08:52 AM	#37
DarkFish Sea Lord Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Stinking drunk in Eindhoven, the Netherlands Posts: 1,844 Downloads: 28 Uploads: 0	In the SH series you can play as the Nazis Oh Nooooeeees! Ban it!!!! __________________

08-23-10, 06:16 AM	#31
Oberon Lucky Jack Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 25,976 Downloads: 61 Uploads: 20	Rape simulators? That'll be Japan then, already done, already done. Honestly though, like Dowly says, this thing has been going on for ages just under a different name, insurgents, terrorists. Heck, look at Counter-Strike.

08-23-10, 02:04 PM	#39
G.K. Loader Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Anchoring at Vltava River, Czech Republic Posts: 84 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	I support the NATO troops in Afghanistan and I understand that many good soldiers lost their lives back there (even some Czechs, too...), but isn't it jist a damn videogame after all? I can't understand why those things are confused with politics... __________________ http://silenthunter.cz/forum Proud officer of the biggest Czech SH Community

08-23-10, 04:37 PM	#40
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	In my hubble opinion. We are really blessed to have the opportunity too play these historical accerate video games , and be able to learn from both sides of these games, history, weapons systems, and what the people might have gone through in real life. I for one about crapped my pants playin Metal of Honor, landing on Omaha Beach ,so it was a game it gave me a good idea what it was like , I got killed many times. My great uncle Willard was there, he survived it, and the rest of the war , though I never heard him talk about it, but he did give me a 8mm german mauser , he only said it was something he got in the war,so I got a good idea what he went through. Even playing real war games someone has too be the bad guy, you couldn't have a Top Gun without a aggressor squadron. No matter how tasteless something is it shouldn't be banned, it's not who we are as a people ,if you ban this game [ by the way where do you get it, and what's it call again] what's next. Last edited by yubba; 08-23-10 at 04:48 PM.

08-23-10, 05:24 PM	#42
Konovalov Ocean Warrior Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: High Wycombe, Bucks, UK Posts: 2,811 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	What is all the fuss about? Storm in a tea cup. Don't like it then don't buy it as is my intention. __________________ "In a Christian context, sexuality is traditionally seen as a consequence of the Fall, but for Muslims, it is an anticipation of paradise. So I can say, I think, that I was validly converted to Islam by a teenage French Jewish nudist." Sheikh Abdul-Hakim Murad (Timothy Winter)

08-24-10, 04:20 AM	#45
Arclight Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Land of windmills, tulips, wooden shoes and cheese. Lots of cheese. Posts: 8,467 Downloads: 53 Uploads: 10	Just getting hung up on a word again. If they had changed 'Taliban' to 'Baliban' the whole thing would have flown under the radar. __________________ Contritium praecedit superbia.