model Vertexes

08-22-10, 07:11 PM

Without seeing your files,
I think I know the problem.
The Verts and Normals are mixed in the obj file.

Open it with Notepad.
If you see something like this.......

vn -0.159476 0.832179 0.531079
v -0.000302 0.002111 0.000229
vn -0.731135 0.495238 0.469235
v -0.001705 0.001193 0.000218
vn -0.627004 0.779001 -0.004775
v -0.001090 0.001784 0.000224
vn -0.994166 0.107571 -0.007858
v -0.002031 0.000405 0.000213
vn 0.626833 -0.779146 0.003529
v 0.001298 -0.001867 0.000215
vn 0.994173 -0.107597 0.006625
v 0.002239 -0.000488 0.000226
vn 0.309144 -0.950995 -0.006160
v 0.001019 -0.002056 -0.013196
vn -0.453663 -0.891096 -0.011727

That's the problem.

Mesh Lab is a good program but it screws the obj file format for S3D.
That's how I found this problem.

I open the obj in RH and save and the problem is corrected.

iowa101 · 08-23-10, 05:11 AM

not to sound stupid (because that's already know lol)

rh= rhino3d or something else

iowa101 · 08-23-10, 05:52 AM

right i save but the error still pops up.

do i save as or just save

08-23-10, 05:56 AM

Sorry.
RH = Right Hemisphere's Deep Exploration.

What program are you useing to do the 3D work?

iowa101 · 08-23-10, 06:06 AM

well i downloaded rhino lol, it sorted the problem but now it gives me a new error

ill' post a screen in a sec

Seeadler · 08-23-10, 06:13 AM

I loaded it into 3DSMax and it has many duplicate faces some with normals inside and some with normals outside and they are z-fighting. There are to many of these duplicate faces to edit them manually, it might be easier to create a new model from it's source and make sure that only one object is created/exported.

iowa101 · 08-23-10, 06:16 AM

not being funy, but i have no idea how to do any of this, i have only just started taking intrest into modelling and i learn at a snails pace lol, i need someone to help if they can, redoing a model may sound easy but its not

iowa101 · 08-23-10, 11:48 AM

guys, if you say rebuild a model would that mean redoing the hole thing from scratch.

because the ship has no plans, not layouts that i know of, so if theres an easier way to rebuild without destroying what i have.
can you let me know and also give me a list of softwares that would allow me to do so.

i have rhino3d and it has a rebuild mesh app, but i not sure if that would work to be honest.
what do you think....

thanks for any advice on this

08-23-10, 05:11 AM	#2
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	not to sound stupid (because that's already know lol) rh= rhino3d or something else __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

08-23-10, 05:52 AM	#3
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	right i save but the error still pops up. do i save as or just save __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

08-23-10, 06:06 AM	#5
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	well i downloaded rhino lol, it sorted the problem but now it gives me a new error ill' post a screen in a sec __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

08-23-10, 06:13 AM	#6
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	I loaded it into 3DSMax and it has many duplicate faces some with normals inside and some with normals outside and they are z-fighting. There are to many of these duplicate faces to edit them manually, it might be easier to create a new model from it's source and make sure that only one object is created/exported. __________________ -- Vapor-ware is always easier to sell because there's no limit what it can do!

08-23-10, 06:16 AM	#7
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	not being funy, but i have no idea how to do any of this, i have only just started taking intrest into modelling and i learn at a snails pace lol, i need someone to help if they can, redoing a model may sound easy but its not __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."

08-22-10, 07:11 PM	#1
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Without seeing your files, I think I know the problem. The Verts and Normals are mixed in the obj file. Open it with Notepad. If you see something like this....... vn -0.159476 0.832179 0.531079 v -0.000302 0.002111 0.000229 vn -0.731135 0.495238 0.469235 v -0.001705 0.001193 0.000218 vn -0.627004 0.779001 -0.004775 v -0.001090 0.001784 0.000224 vn -0.994166 0.107571 -0.007858 v -0.002031 0.000405 0.000213 vn 0.626833 -0.779146 0.003529 v 0.001298 -0.001867 0.000215 vn 0.994173 -0.107597 0.006625 v 0.002239 -0.000488 0.000226 vn 0.309144 -0.950995 -0.006160 v 0.001019 -0.002056 -0.013196 vn -0.453663 -0.891096 -0.011727 That's the problem. Mesh Lab is a good program but it screws the obj file format for S3D. That's how I found this problem. I open the obj in RH and save and the problem is corrected.

08-23-10, 05:56 AM	#4
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Sorry. RH = Right Hemisphere's Deep Exploration. What program are you useing to do the 3D work?

08-23-10, 11:48 AM	#8
iowa101 Commodore Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 615 Downloads: 199 Uploads: 0	guys, if you say rebuild a model would that mean redoing the hole thing from scratch. because the ship has no plans, not layouts that i know of, so if theres an easier way to rebuild without destroying what i have. can you let me know and also give me a list of softwares that would allow me to do so. i have rhino3d and it has a rebuild mesh app, but i not sure if that would work to be honest. what do you think.... thanks for any advice on this __________________ "A good Navy is not a provocation to war. It is the surest guaranty of peace."