Obama supports "Ground Zero Mosque" (of course he does)

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

Yes and it is a tragedy, and in a country founded on the notion of religious freedom, what better way to show these godless terrorists they haven't won?

By telling them we simply dont think that this site is a good idea? Really how hard is that?

By letting them erect this Mosque is indeed showing them they are winning.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

My understanding of Islamic worship is, that a mosque is not required to do a beliver well in his/her obligatory sevice of worship to Allah.

I could be wrong, but unlike Christian religions, Islam was and is designed for the nomadic people.

Beyond that a president by his remarks on friday last, may have delved into the unknown US field of state sponsored endorsement.

All religion should be practiced in the privacy of ones home and mind in my opinion. Unfortunately, thats not how it is, hence most wars in human history.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

By telling them we simply dont think that this site is a good idea? Really how hard is that?

By letting them erect this Mosque is indeed showing them they are winning.

They haven't been told that many dont approve? How does becoming an intolerant police state hurt thier cause? Thats what the extremists want the world to be.

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

All religion should be practiced in the privacy of ones home and mind in my opinion. Unfortunately, thats not how it is, hence most wars in human history.

If you could extrapulate on your answer and tell us which wars were religious based, other than the obvious crusades, which could be called economic in nature, I would be forever grateful.

Cheers

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

If you could extrapulate on your answer and tell us which wars were religious based, other than the obvious crusades, which could be called economic in nature, I would be forever grateful.

Cheers

LOL! Are you serious? If you are I will start compiling my list for you, but it may take a while.

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

LOL! Are you serious? If you are I will start compiling my list for you, but it may take a while.

Yep. Totally seriuos. I can only hope you include the social, political, cultural influences in your analysis of religious wars. Don't forget the byzantine and Russian empires in your discussion, and how atheism could have prevented the conflicts.

Yes, it will take you quite a while but it is neccessary research if you want to make the claim that religion caused so many wars.

Tribesman, really going to say someone who majored in legal studies/pre law and begins law school in less than a month is ignorant of the constitution? get real.

Thats someone who is going to start law school who recently berated someone finishing law school for paying attention to their studies.
Which is so surreal

This is not a constitutional issue as I see it.

That is because you have problems seeing anything much.

I see people who think the constitution is outdated and never invoke it unless it serves them, such as in this purpose

While we are at it lets build some type of Hitler memorial at Normandy or a Japanese shrine at Pearl Harbor, give me a f'n break.

You mean like the ones at pearl harbour?

Umm, wrong. Very much so.

We have zoning laws, for one.

Oh dear, another entirely irrelevant attempt by Aramike who can't see the problem
Any attempt to apply such laws in this case would be unconstitutional.

Heh I heard of a guy who wants to build a deli meat (including sausage) store accross the street from the Mosque.

A fool and his money are easily parted, given the number of delis and meat markets on the block is there any way it would pay?
Perhaps he could open a pub instead.....oh no too many of those already, how about opening a strip club as the nearest one is just round the corner.

Isnt there already a Mosque in the neighborhood?

You mean another one in addition to the one already at the site?

Oh and what about the Greek Orhtidox church that was denied?

What grounds was it denied on ?
Parking?

[Moeceefus]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sed_civil_wars


Here is a link to just a few religious based civil wars. If you can refute religion as the major cause of any of these I will continue with this hilarity.

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categor...sed_civil_wars


Here is a link to just a few religious based civil wars. If you can refute religion as the major cause of any of these I will continue with this hilarity.

So you don't want to do the research. OK, then you live in the dark ages of neo-atheism. That is your decision of course but it certainly diminishes your authority as it pertains to history in general and why warfare has occured in particular.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

So you don't want to do the research. OK, then you live in the dark ages of neo-atheism. That is your decision of course but it certainly deminishes your authority as it pertains to history in general and why warfare occurs in particular.

It that the best you can do? Go ahead, refute even one.

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

It that the best you can do? Go ahead, refute even one.

When wikipedia is peer reviewed, your opportunity awaits, then I will comment. Besides many are muslim based civil wars which have nothing to to w/ religion. Most are power based, which is my argument.

You can make the argument that the church was the power . But there was mostly a secular power in the advancement of many wars, and the church was moral authority the king/prince required politically..

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

When wikipedia is peer reviewed, your opportunity awaits, then I will comment.

Wow, ok then. I guess we see your limits. Perhaps you need a more reputable source before you can bother? What will be a good enough medium for you to start putting meat on your argument?



"Once started religious strife has a tendency to go on and on, to become permanent feuds. Today we see such intractable inter-religious wars in Northern Ireland, between Jews and Muslims and Christians in Palestine, Hindus and Muslims in South Asia and in many other places. Attempts to bring about peace have failed again and again. Always the extremist elements invoking past injustices, imagined or real, will succeed in torpedoing the peace efforts and bringing about another bout of hostility." Datuk Seri Dr Mahathir Mohamad, Prime Minister of Malaysia

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

Wow, ok then. I guess we see your limits. Perhaps you need a more reputable source before you can bother? What will be a good enough medium for you to start putting meat on your argument?

Prove your point about religion being the source of war. And then we will talk about limits. History is alwas more than the limits we place on it or the place we currently have within it. A study of the history on all levels will lead you to a different conclusion regarding war and religion. If it doesn't you haven't opened your mind.

An example is ...you only know what happened today based on what a/the media outlet you encountered. Does that mean that was all that happened today? Logic should tell you no,....more happened .

[SteamWake]

Oh my gawd I'm having a life crisis... I agree with Harry Reid

Originally Posted by AP wire

In a statement, Reid said the first amendment protects freedom of religion and he respects that, but the mosque should be built somewhere else.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ea41AD9HKOTM04

Oh I forgot its an election year...

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh my gawd I'm having a life crisis... I agree with Harry Reid



http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/...ea41AD9HKOTM04

Oh I forgot its an election year...

Suddenly Reid is smarter than Obama?