Obama supports "Ground Zero Mosque" (of course he does)

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Why the hairsplitting over who said what when where.

Because the original post is about exactly that, and nothing more.

It is clear, if the original adress by Obama was listened to, that Obama supported by his general statement the idea of a mosque beeing build on the graves of those who got killed in the name of right that ideology that any mosques represents and stands for (it is not like just any other buildng, it has a symbolic function that better should not be ignored).

So we should ignore what makes us "us" in the first place? Throw out the baby with the bathwater? Once again, I see you as being no different from them.

It is also clear that here good will of some people who think they can appease said ideology, or who think it is different than what it claims to be in its teachings, collides with the desire of the many (a majoirty) and that the constitutional claim that religion should be protected no matter what collides head-on with an ideology that pushes politics and cultural influence under the label of "free relgion" (becasue the state order of the US bases on the separation of relgion and poltics, while Islam refuses such a separation).

In our country the law is designed to protect the minority from abuses by the majority. You seem to be saying that we should remove our protections because they don't have the same values? We punish criminals for what they do, not what they claim to believe. You seem to think otherwise.

I have repeatedly pointed out that the names and the organisations behind financing and pushing this mosque project are extremely hotile to the West, that they are what the West calls radical fundamentalists who indeed think in terms of dawa and djihad as an external effort of conquest, and that these people build the mosque itnentionall at that place becasue they do intend indeed to raise this controversy and make the public once again falling back ihn the face of being challenged. not a singole guy here so far thought he mist adress this nature of these people, instead oyu all chose to ignore it completely, that way makoijng your ignorrance of the jihad nature of this project your declared reality you want to dela with, while leaving out what puts your thinking in doubt.

And I (and others) have repeatedly pointed out that things like Jihad need to be opposed, but unless the words are put into action then they are still protected speech. Just because you don't like what someone might do is not sufficient cause to change the laws. You want to stop people from destroying us by destroying what we are yourself. That makes you just as bad as they are.

Freedom that accepts freedom to the other to destroy freedom, is stupidity.

And stopping them by destroying freedom yourself is better how, exactly?

that building the mosque on the graves of the victims of 9/11 is pure mockery, has been said before.

Yes it is. But feelings and opinions do not supercede the law. Change the law if you like, but you will need to show how this can be justified. Otherwise it is indeed a Constitutional issue.

In the past two weeks, I read in random news reports always the same number: that roughly two thirds of Americans are against this mosque, and that not even one fifth is for it. Such numbers I randomly read both in German and British papers, over the past two weeks.

Totally irrelevant. The law applies equally to everyone. That you don't like it is why it's there in the first place.

In my country hate speech is protected - even yours.