!4th Amendment and anchor babies

[Ducimus]

As much as i dislike to change the constitution, this needs to be changed, and a simple change is all that is needed.

If one or both of your parent's is an American citizen, your citizenship is your birthright.

If neither of your parents is an American citizen, then you will not be granted citizenship.


The days of Jose and Jaunita jumping the border and popping out little Paco to get their foot into the door need to come to and end. As an aside, it's f*cking annoying when you go to the mall to get a bite to eat at a mongolian BBQ, and neither the person in front of you, nor behind you speak English. Only Spanish. At least the idiots behind the counter were bilingual and spoke english, but that should not have to be. This situation is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it should be. It's wonderful being a minority in your own country.... oh wait.. i forgot. California isn't part of the united states anymore, its a provence of mexico.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

As much as i dislike to change the constitution, this needs to be changed, and a simple change is all that is needed.

If one or both of your parent's is an American citizen, your citizenship is your birthright.

If neither of your parents is an American citizen, then you will not be granted citizenship.


The days of Jose and Jaunita jumping the border and popping out little Paco to get their foot into the door need to come to and end. As an aside, it's f*cking annoying when you go to the mall to get a bite to eat at a mongolian BBQ, and neither the person in front of you, nor behind you speak English. Only Spanish. At least the idiots behind the counter were bilingual and spoke english, but that should not have to be. This situation is the EXACT OPPOSITE of what it should be. It's wonderful being a minority in your own country.... oh wait.. i forgot. California isn't part of the united states anymore, its a provence of mexico.

I don't think a constitutional change is required. The courts can change the law. Not that they will, but they can. It has happened before, it's about interpretation.

[razark]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

I don't think a constitutional change is required. The courts can change the law. Not that they will, but they can. It has happened before, it's about interpretation.

Courts can change the law, but not the Constitution. It would require an amendment to change the Constitution.

Originally Posted by The Constitution

Amendment XIV, Section 1, Clause 1:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Originally Posted by razark

Courts can change the law, but not the Constitution. It would require an amendment to change the Constitution.

I guess I should have been more to the point. The law can be changed to reflect anything and the constitution be damned. At this point the constitution means nothing.

That is the beauty of my political persuasion. When you believe in the future everything is possible and the so called right or middle has nothing to say about it.

As soon as abortion was made legal as an interpretation of the 4th amendment all holds were off. After that any interpretation of social , economic, or political reason is up for grabs.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by The Third Man

IAs soon as abortion was made legal as an interpretation of the 4th amendment all holds were off. After that any interpretation of social , economic, or political reason is up for grabs.

Where in the Constution was abortion illegal in the first place? The law was changed, and a guaranteed right was used to change it. The Constitution was not changed at all.

I'm pretty sure that if a foreign national marries an American citizen then there is no argument or question. It's a time-honored practice to gain entrance into a country by that very means.

But there is an arguement and question as it can also be a very serious crime, more serious than just plain illegal entry.
Have a look at that recent episode in Norfolk Virginia with what was in effect human trafficing plus defrauding government.
I will see if I can find a link but in essence it was a scam where sailors were being paid for importing fake "brides" from eastern europe so the women got into the States andthe servicemen could claim pay benefits on their fake marriages.

[Sailor Steve]

Of course it can be used to commit a crime, as can just about any other legitimate law or practice. I was answering a specific question.

[razark]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

As much as i dislike to change the constitution, this needs to be changed, and a simple change is all that is needed.

If one or both of your parent's is an American citizen, your citizenship is your birthright.

If neither of your parents is an American citizen, then you will not be granted citizenship.

What about foreign nationals legally in the country? Where I work, we have a decently large number of foreign nationals that come here for business purposes, some of them for years. They are still foreign citizens, but they have been in the US for a long time, contributing to the goals of the US government, and raising their families within the society. How would your proposed rules account for a child born into such a family?

[Ducimus]

What about foreign nationals legally in the country?

There's already something for that. It's called a work visa. When it expires, they go home. If you want to stay longer, then apply for citizenship.