How many will buy SH5 if DRM is dropped?

[makman94]

Originally Posted by Stiebler

JScones said (speaking of SH3):
Good point (as usual by JS).
SH3 seems to have generated an enthusiasm that has somehow been lacking with SH4 and SH5, which both lagged behind SH3 for rate of development of mods. I recollect that, in the early months of SH4, complaints about lack of mods for it were always met with statements to the effect that 'it has not been in development for as long as SH3; wait until it has'. It never did catch up, having lower sales and (presumably) therefore a smaller pool of potential modders.

Mods should really be developed to accommodate different playing tastes. To take an obvious example, the original devs will have set a certain standard of playing difficulty. Some will prefer the game easier, so mods should be developed for them. Some will prefer the game harder, so they will need different mods. Again, some will prefer more eye-candy, others will prefer more realism. Mods will be developed for both groups. Other talented modders have created extra ships for SH3 and SH4.

Mods should *not* be created to correct defects in the original code or to paper over cracks in the original game design. I have the impression, reading the threads on this forum, that this is nevertheless the objective of most of the mods being created for SH5. This is a difficult objective anyway, but must also discourage casual modders. There is no point in changing the colo(u)r of a U-boat propellers (to take a trivial example) if no one wants to use the supplied GUI. The GUI has to be sorted out first.

I believe that modding for SH5 is never likely to be popular, until there is more enthusiasm for the un-modded product. (In practical terms, that means further patches needed, and DRM to be removed.)

[I haven't voted in the poll.]

Stiebler.

I agree with both Stiebler and JScones but i would like to add here that ,for me , the problem is not drm or some bugs (not the major ones)

they(devs) made a good start with sh3 (although they vanished some simulator elements from previous versions) and the next step would (or must) have been a sequel with all previous simulation elements getting back and of course to start ADDING something to this direction .didn't happened....and now,with sh5 , they just 'killed' almost all (the few) remained simulation elements (thanks to TDW ,trying really hard to bring them back) .of course ,they DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING TO SIMULATOR AGAIN (only vanished...again) !this is the big fail of sh5 and not the drm things or its bugs...
even if the game some day becomes totally free of bugs, it will never be something new becuase it doesn't have at its core anything new ! the best you could see from sh5 at future(if we assume that ubi will keep not allowing modders to hack executables), it will be to reach the level of sh3-sh4 (simulator level) with some better graphics and that is all....which,imo, allready started to get bored.

it is really annoying me the fact that ubisoft is asking from community to start BEGING (YES,..BEGING) for a patch or for a tool .

if there were laws to protect us(gamers) from sinister companies ,,,now you would see this rediculous ubisoft beging YOU not to sue them ! BUT ,they are so cheeky that they are asking you to co-operate with them in order to decide (unbelievable !!) if (yes...IF...) they will fix some issues !( ...!!! really,...why 'some' AND why not 'ALL' ?? )

do you believe that devs DON'T KNOW ALL THE ISSUES ??? if you were ever involved with modding you should know that the author ALWAYS 'knows' his 'baby' better than anyone else.



PS: to sorlim : a community developer with LIMITED access to internet ? (...!!)
well sorlim,that was good ! at least,you have....humor !

[McBeck]

I think this poll has a good point....

[Reece]

Originally Posted by makman94

PS: to sorlim : a community developer with LIMITED access to internet ? (...!!)
well sorlim,that was good ! at least,you have....humor !

Yep that was it!! See ya all sometime in the future! Glad I could help!

[Rip]

Well finally someone is moving to establish limits to how absurd protections can get in limiting us access to what we pay for. Without mindless restrictions. We can only hope the tide has turned.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ized_apps.html

Rip

[Reece]

Originally Posted by Rip

Well finally someone is moving to establish limits to how absurd protections can get in limiting us access to what we pay for. Without mindless restrictions. We can only hope the tide has turned.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...ized_apps.html

Rip

Other exemptions announced Monday allow people to break protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws; allow college professors, film students and documentary filmmakers to break copy protection measures on DVDs to embed clips for educational purposes, criticism, commentary and noncommercial videos; and allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices (dongles) if the hardware no longer works and cannot be replaced.

Hope this rubs off world wide!

[Gilbou]

Will not buy it, even with DRM dropped. Ubisoft has ruined too much game series for me to bare with them anymore. They destroyed the Ghost Recon series. The Ravenshield one. The destroyed the Splinter Cell kick ass game play. The DRM, the unreliable crappy servers and connections, the unplayable and unworking ridden with bugs online side. Ubisoft deserves to die and their games to be ignored and go unsold. I gave up on Ravenshield, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, and Silent Hunter too. SH3 is no more installed on my PC, not even SH4. I have not played it for monthes and I probably never will again. SH5 ? No way. I believe the Silent Hunter series is now dead like all the other franchises Ubisoft has destroyed. I hope they get bankrupt someday, and get what they deserve.

Originally Posted by Gilbou

I hope they get bankrupt someday, and get what they deserve.

They probably will someday unless they sell out to another interest.
It doubt the Govt. of France could prop them up like the Govt. of the U.S. did for many Companies.
I'm waiting to see what kind of Tax write-off they claim in the U.S.
If BP can get away with it?
They will also.
We in the U.S. need to make heads roll to stop this crap here!

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Gilbou

I gave up on ... Silent Hunter too. SH3 is no more installed on my PC, not even SH4. I have not played it for monthes and I probably never will again. SH5 ? No way. I believe the Silent Hunter series is now dead like all the other franchises Ubisoft has destroyed.

So I gotta ask... why are you posting here?

JCC

[Seeadler]

Originally Posted by privateer

It doubt the Govt. of France could prop them up like the Govt. of the U.S. did for many Companies.

Already in 2007 the French government had decided that French game-development companies can get tax credits of up to three million euros. And up to 20 percent of the development of a title will be financed by the government.

No wonder we got what we got!


When Govt. stays out of things they are much better.

[Badger Finn]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Haven't played it enough to give it a fair hearing.

I doubt anyone here will find it cheaper than this: $23.99 & Free Shipping @ Amazon.com

Yep $20 NZD outta the bargin bin, with no DRM ill buy just to check out the graphics, the rest of it so far even with mods such as the actual sim play and campaign is not me

currently @ $50NZD in a 50% off sale in the small corner at the back of the game shop...

[Badger Finn]

Originally Posted by privateer

I'm waiting to see what kind of Tax write-off they claim in the U.S.
If BP can get away with it?
They will also.
We in the U.S. need to make heads roll to stop this crap here!

Not going to happen havnt ya heard the USA is the land of the fee these days...

All those corporations are your government...actually there ours as well in NZ...

Originally Posted by Badger Finn

land of the fee

Now THAT I like!

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Badger Finn

the land of the fee these days...

And the home of the paid.

[skookum]

Put me in the hold out crowd.