Is the sim genre dead?

[JScones]

Originally Posted by SteelViking

I have to agree. Remember everyone, SHIII and IV had tools built specifically for them(S3D). SH5 is just barely starting to get some tools made for it(a big thanks to privateer and Skwas). So yeah, the modding has really just begun.

Erm, what about the tools that shipped with SH5 that are meant to be specifically for it? Neither SH3 or SH4 had that benefit "out of the box".

[jctrnacty]

The problem of sim genre is not that its hardcore but problem is not sufficient tutorials and explanation of "how does this work and why should i press this"

If every sim would have an interractive step by step tutorial for complete noobs then there could be a lot of simmers today.

Nobody today has enough time to read 250 pages manual a spend one week to try find out what does what.

This is the main reason that kills hardcore sims.

Hardcore sim - no tutorial - dead sim

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by jctrnacty

The problem of sim genre is not that its hardcore but problem is not sufficient tutorials and explanation of "how does this work and why should i press this"

If every sim would have an interractive step by step tutorial for complete noobs then there could be a lot of simmers today.

Nobody today has enough time to read 250 pages manual a spend one week to try find out what does what.

This is the main reason that kills hardcore sims.

Hardcore sim - no tutorial - dead sim

I have the time (even with working 2 jobs and a BAD golf addiction ) to read 250 pgs of manual and spending a MONTH playing/testing/figuring out how things work. In fact one of my FAVORITE add-on planes for MS Flightsim 2004 and FSX is a ATR-42 add on that is so realistic I printed out the manual for it and it takes TWO 3" binders

And the addon was so realistic that the startup procedures (and flight) are JUST LIKE THE REAL THING. I know this because I was a mechanic on them for 3 yrs (hence the screen name faamecanic).

With that said.....Another point to make is the makers of this ATR-42 (as well as MANY other add on aircraft) make HIGH QUALITY airplanes, that are VERY realistic, for $50 or less.....

What this proves is the argument that a niche market can never have high quality sims because it is too cost prohibitive..... I say Bull Excrement to statement.

If your a MS flight sim nut...check out the niche market being satisfied here (everything from Cessna 182's, or a FULL world of REAL airline traffic, all the way up to a FULL detailed 747)

http://www.flight1.com/

Then come back here and tell me how a niche market can never be satisfied without programs costing $1,000's of dollars.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by JScones

Erm, what about the tools that shipped with SH5 that are meant to be specifically for it? Neither SH3 or SH4 had that benefit "out of the box".

I'll give the UI editor the bennfit of the doubt since i know very little of that stuff, but i' will say that the goblin editor sucks the big one when compared to S3D. It's good as a basic controller editor, but not much beyond that from what i could make of it.

Using the goblin editor is like being asked to pop rivet sheet metal together without the bennfit of a drill. Unless the holes are already there, you can't do anything with it. S3D, on the other hand, is a versatile as a skill saw is on a construction site. Can do most anything with it.