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Old 07-26-10, 02:56 PM   #1
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the governments betraying their own people weighs much heavier. the leaking of this material I consider to be some kind of an ultima ratio in self-defence - becasue there is zero idnication that our governments are stopping to betray us: you, me, all others, and last but not least: the troops in the field, no matter the nationality.

As I see it, if ranking the enemies by importance and priorities, the greatest enemy of the troops fighting is their own governments, next it is the Pakistani and the ISI (preaching this since years, don't I), and then, maybe, finally, it is the Taliban.

Compared to this, the leaking of these documents is a minor crime. And why should our governments ever change their approach and their deception of the public, if the public can be successfully deceived by hiding such reports from it?

As somebody above put it: if this makes the governments more afraid of the people, then it is a good thing. I personally am sick and tieed of listening to government'S infantile stupid claims about what they plan and can do in Afghnaistan. It is so very disconnected from realities, and own troops are being told to risk their lives for this governmental crime.

to me, the crime of leaking secret stuff is put into relation if that deeds helps to enforce more realism and honesty from politicians. A politician will lie if it helps his interest - but only if he sees that he gets away with it. that's why free media are so important in a democracy, and that's why gagging media or limiting the protection of their sources is a direct assault on the very basics of free, democratic political and social order.

If those in power are allowed to hide too much from the people, freedom dies.
+1 I have to agree with sky. Your enemy is your government. There personal interest are for themselves and there friends. Unless your part of that system of there your worthless to them. Just trash.
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Old 07-26-10, 03:01 PM   #2
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Unless your part of that system of there your worthless to them. Just trash.

Not entirely; someone has to keep the mills running.
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Old 07-26-10, 03:09 PM   #3
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The Obama administration on Monday called the release of thousands of classified documents on the Afghanistan war a "breach of federal law," as a prominent senator said the government needs to press charges in the case.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010...ul-amid-probe/
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Old 07-26-10, 05:05 PM   #4
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They can whine and scream all they want. The only reason they caught the man who exposed the cowardly attack on the Reuters reporters is because he bragged in a chat. Wikileaks likely has it VERY clear now (Well unless they are stupid beyond belief) that when someone releases such info that exposes politicians for the dirty liars they are the person letting loose the info needs to be silent elseware.
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Old 07-26-10, 08:24 PM   #5
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Put me down as someone who thinks this was a bad idea.

Whereas the video of the journalists being killed in Iraq was withheld because it was politically embarrassing, documents such as these reveal sources and methods, etc.
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