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ichso · 07-26-10, 03:43 AM

I read a lot of bad things about SH5 and am not going to spend money on it. Some time ago (when I still had fun with SH3) I bought SH4 on a low budget price together with UBM and never looked back since.

Ok, I looked back once but realized that there is no way back to SH3 for me. SH4 has just become too nice with the right mods installed.

About modern subsims, there isn't really much choice and you would have to go with older products like Dangerous Waters. Which is at least said to be excellent gameplay-wise.

Hangman · 07-26-10, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Gorshkov

- WWII era sub-sim: now there is only SH4+UBM game worth mentioning of course with good supermods on both sides (OM+OMEGU for Germans and RFB/TMO for Americans). Don't think about SH3 - this is a thing of the past. Don't contemplate SH5, either - this is a song of distant future!
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Now my curiosity has risen. Granted I haven't read much on the SHIV threads but what I have read, I was to the understanding the SHIV was for the Pacific war; US vs Japan. I was under the impression that - for all intensive purposes - SHIII & SHIV were basically to work together. SHIII being for the Atlantic campaign, SHIV for the Pacific.
Now obviously they are two different programs, but are you saying you can run either the Atlantic OR the Pacific campaigns in SHIV ??
I have loved playing SHII for a long, long, long time and want to continue the effort. And I understand SHIII is just an incredible update to SHII. But if you can run both campaigns in SHIV, then what was the purpose of SHIII ?? Why would anyone want to continue with, or purchase for that matter, SHIII when you have SHIV that will do the same thing ??

I am going to need more info regarding SHIV, would you all please elaborate in detail the joys & thrills of SHIV. I thank you for the enlightenment.

Well, someone went and torpedo'ed the merchant vessel with my SHIII disks aboard.
I received notice the other day:

Quote:

We regret to inform you of the loss of your product. Due to circumstances beyond our control, your order has been cancelled.
The merchant ship 'Markarel' has not made port on July 23rd as expected and we fear she is lost at sea. Last contact with the merchant was July 18th.
We mourn with you for the loss and can only hope for a better future.
Thank you for you patience and understanding in these trying times.

Perhaps for the better, ... I really need some encouraging words right now (SHIV - tell me more) to keep my head above the waters of depression.

Thanks guys.

ichso · 07-26-10, 02:43 PM

SH4 is intended to represent the pacific theater, thats right.

Though, the addon UBM stands for U-Boat missions and gives you the opportunity to take on the role of the german 'monsun boats' that where also active in the Pacific to assist the Japanese.

But there are (cost free) mods that also give you the whole atlantic theater for SH4, too.

Check out the ATO mods forum for SH4, especially look for the Ops Monsun supermod.

Kaye T. Bai · 07-27-10, 01:14 AM

Unfortunately, there are still no modern submarine simulators on the market today, other than Dangerous Waters, which is aging very badly now.

Hangman · 07-27-10, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai

Unfortunately, there are still no modern submarine simulators on the market today, other than Dangerous Waters, which is aging very badly now.

You know, these are NOT encouraging words.

What kind of Kapitan are you ??

You're not suppose to tell me this. I just invested in this and am trying to get all the patches and mods for it now.

Still, it's gotta be a little better than Janes 688(i) doesn't it ?? I've been running 688(i) for a while and - although I love the game and enjoy playing it - I'm hoping this is a good upgrade to the current.
Anotherwords, for me this is new and exciting.

Takeda Shingen · 07-27-10, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaye T. Bai

Unfortunately, there are still no modern submarine simulators on the market today, other than Dangerous Waters, which is aging very badly now.

Dangerous Waters is a simulation in the truest sense. If you want pretty pictures, then it is not for you. If you want the most accurate modeling of real-world combat systems available to the civilian market, then it is a must-buy.

Ducimus · 07-27-10, 09:44 PM

Both my personal, and objective opinion is SH4 is the best sub sim right now.

A few of the reasons why i think this.

While SH3 has some minor functions that work, with the same minor functions not working in SH4 or SH5 - it is showing it's age. SH3 was made in the day when most people were using standard resolution CRT monitors. The technology standard of today has left it behind, and the game is hideously slow to load. And although some minor functions work (such as crew changing to wet weather gear in rough seas), as a simulation it offers nothing unique.

SH4, while having some minor functions that don't work, that worked in SH3, (again, such as crew changing to wet weather gear in rough seas), as a simulation it has everything that SH3 does. What's more you have the options of two different nationality and theaters, and more choices of submarines to use then ANY other SH title. The game loads quickly, and the graphics upgrades are well enough. So it sit's as just that happy medium between functionality, and graphical upgrades. If Uboat centric modders spent as much time with it as the Fleet boat centric modders have, there would be no debate as to what game platform is the best.

SH5 has even less working functions, and is quite frankly, hobbled, though the graphical upgrades and full interior's are nice. It offers only one type of submarine, in one theater, for only half the war. Nevermind the intrusive DRM. SH5 is a "maybe, someday" game. Something to put away on a shelf, and re examine a year or two from now when the DRM is gone, and modding progression to an advanced stage.

Hangman · 07-28-10, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

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< ... > you have the options of two different nationality and theaters, and more choices of submarines to use then ANY other SH title. The game loads quickly, and the graphics upgrades are well enough. So it sit's as just that happy medium between functionality, and graphical upgrades. If Uboat centric modders spent as much time with it as the Fleet boat centric modders have, there would be no debate as to what game platform is the best.
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Thank you all for your comments and suggestions, I really appreciate the info.

You're comment Ducimus brought about a question I have been meaning to ask.
I have noticed there are two versions of SHIV, a standard and a gold package. Would it matter at the moment which one to invest in, or would it be best - seeing how things are at the present - to invest in the Gold package ??

Ducimus · 07-28-10, 03:23 PM

Get the gold edition.

It contains the expansion pack, "U boat missions", and patch 1.5 which was never published seperately. So having that is crucial. It opens up the german side, and all supermods regardless of uboat or fleetboat are built upon that version of SH4.

If you hear reference to SH4 version 1.5, they mean SH4 + UBM, which is what the gold edition is.

07-26-10, 03:43 AM	#16
ichso Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany's oldest city alive Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	I read a lot of bad things about SH5 and am not going to spend money on it. Some time ago (when I still had fun with SH3) I bought SH4 on a low budget price together with UBM and never looked back since. Ok, I looked back once but realized that there is no way back to SH3 for me. SH4 has just become too nice with the right mods installed. About modern subsims, there isn't really much choice and you would have to go with older products like Dangerous Waters. Which is at least said to be excellent gameplay-wise. __________________ My Subskins: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164169

07-26-10, 02:43 PM	#18
ichso Ace of the Deep Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Germany's oldest city alive Posts: 1,066 Downloads: 57 Uploads: 0	SH4 is intended to represent the pacific theater, thats right. Though, the addon UBM stands for U-Boat missions and gives you the opportunity to take on the role of the german 'monsun boats' that where also active in the Pacific to assist the Japanese. But there are (cost free) mods that also give you the whole atlantic theater for SH4, too. Check out the ATO mods forum for SH4, especially look for the Ops Monsun supermod. __________________ My Subskins: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164169

07-27-10, 01:14 AM	#19
Kaye T. Bai Samurai Navy Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Western Hemisphere, Earth, Milky Way Galaxy, Local Group, Virgo Supercluster Posts: 585 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Unfortunately, there are still no modern submarine simulators on the market today, other than Dangerous Waters, which is aging very badly now.

07-27-10, 09:44 PM	#22
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Both my personal, and objective opinion is SH4 is the best sub sim right now. A few of the reasons why i think this. While SH3 has some minor functions that work, with the same minor functions not working in SH4 or SH5 - it is showing it's age. SH3 was made in the day when most people were using standard resolution CRT monitors. The technology standard of today has left it behind, and the game is hideously slow to load. And although some minor functions work (such as crew changing to wet weather gear in rough seas), as a simulation it offers nothing unique. SH4, while having some minor functions that don't work, that worked in SH3, (again, such as crew changing to wet weather gear in rough seas), as a simulation it has everything that SH3 does. What's more you have the options of two different nationality and theaters, and more choices of submarines to use then ANY other SH title. The game loads quickly, and the graphics upgrades are well enough. So it sit's as just that happy medium between functionality, and graphical upgrades. If Uboat centric modders spent as much time with it as the Fleet boat centric modders have, there would be no debate as to what game platform is the best. SH5 has even less working functions, and is quite frankly, hobbled, though the graphical upgrades and full interior's are nice. It offers only one type of submarine, in one theater, for only half the war. Nevermind the intrusive DRM. SH5 is a "maybe, someday" game. Something to put away on a shelf, and re examine a year or two from now when the DRM is gone, and modding progression to an advanced stage.

07-28-10, 03:23 PM	#24
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Get the gold edition. It contains the expansion pack, "U boat missions", and patch 1.5 which was never published seperately. So having that is crucial. It opens up the german side, and all supermods regardless of uboat or fleetboat are built upon that version of SH4. If you hear reference to SH4 version 1.5, they mean SH4 + UBM, which is what the gold edition is.