Hydrogen will set u free

[Diopos]

If you burn oil to produce electricity to produce hydrogen to "burn" it to run your car then why not burn the oil directly in the car?

To put it in a "subsim" context it is similar to a sub cruising on the surface using its batteries and not its diesels.

BUT

If your electricity is produced not from the consupmtion of chemical energy but from wind turbines, hydroplants, solar panels etc. then you have a more "favorable" series of energy transformations. Definately a good option (not without its problems though). And yes there should have been more research in how to incorporate hydrogen in the "energy greeds".

[yubba]

it s a hybrid ,your getting it ,still ground covered ,what if you use solar or wind ? where did I see it, cows, sun makes grass cows eat grass ,ect ,ect . u missed a point if they get it right the machine will produce it s own fuel till it runs out of water.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by yubba

that depends on how you look at it. how much enegy is spent on oil from the ground to the pump if that was the case we d still be burning coal , and we would be dead.

Look at the gulf oil spill, we drilled a hole to the oil and it came up on its own without the need for pumps. Oil wants to come up to the surface (it happens naturally) we simply give it the path of least resistance.

@Oberon: I don't believe in renewable energy. There is no such thing. Any source of energy requires just as much energy to create as it generates. (To test: Get a plumb bob, hold string in one hand and and pull the weight to the 3 O'clock position with the other, release weight and it will never exceeded the 3/9 O'clock position) This "Renewable" energy is just feeding off of long term decay of a system. The sun will die and Solar will stop working, the Earth will stop spinning and the winds and tides will stop (no turbines), Uranium will decay to lead and nuclear will stop working. Eventuality all heat will die from the universe and all that's left will be the cockroaches.

Unless you are tapping Zero Point energy and that's not even a certainty.

[yubba]

what would 1 solar panel produce ? Also cows, sun makes grass cows eat grass.

[CaptainHaplo]

Its not renewable - some things are simply more efficient than others. The law of entropy dictates some loss in each transformation of energy from one form to another.

Besides - for those that think Hydrogen from H2O is the answer - you do realize that worldwide there is already the start of a water shortage, don'tcha? Know what making water THE energy source will do to that situation?

[yubba]

This planet has more water than we know what to do with , outside of using it like a toilet. Have you seen what a can of corn cost lately.

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Its not renewable - some things are simply more efficient than others. The law of entropy dictates some loss in each transformation of energy from one form to another.

Besides - for those that think Hydrogen from H2O is the answer - you do realize that worldwide there is already the start of a water shortage, don'tcha? Know what making water THE energy source will do to that situation?

Where did the water go? I am not aware of any non-nuclear way of destroying water. Water, like energy, is moved or has its state changed. But how would we destroy water in order to have a shortage?

Now if you are talking about a shortage of fresh water, that might be true. But I am not aware of any general shortage of water.

If some of the scientists are right about the glaciers melting, we may not have a shortage of water at all but a surplus.

[yubba]

this planet has more water on it than we know what too do with, outside of using it like a toilet, and have you seen what a can of corn cost lately.

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Hydrogen will set u on fire



Cool link though

Yup! When I was a kid I would gather balloons, a coke bottle, aluminum foil, and lye crystals to make hydrogen balloons. The lye was available at the supermarket in the laundry soap aisle. You just made a solution of lye and water in the coke bottle. Rolled up some foil like a cinnamon stick and dropped it in the bottle, then put a balloon over the bottle. The foil would disolve giving off hydrogen which would fill the balloon. Pull the balloon off and tie it, add a fuse, light it and let it go at night. It would float off and explode in a fireball a couple hundred yards off.

Don't try this! It may explode in your hand. I still have all my parts though.

[Zachstar]

The Mythbusters have thoroughly Fraked up the whole idea of hydrogen or water injection because of their bogus "busting"

Too many people on the Internets think water to gas is some nutjob scheme to run a car engine on nothing but water. Obviously if there isnt a Mr Fusion in there as well it is impossible.

The truth is if someone gave a read at the various material on in car hydrogen production out there the reason to do that is to enhance the energy gain from the chemical reaction from petrol.

You know what octane is right? The higher it is the better and cleaner the burn and less "knock" or out of sequence firing.

Proper water vapor and hydrogen injection enhance octane as well as the hydrogen ensuring far less fuel is lost due to incomplete combustion.

However it almost all modern cars a fuel air mixture which is handled by the onboard computer which is UNLAWFUL to tamper with. Therefore the only legal and useful way Watergas can be used in my opinion is with pre-computer carburetor vehicles.

This in my opinion is an example of it in use Tho I question if the police did it right as normally with a car with an onboard computer the computer thinks the mixture is off because the output is too clean. And adjusts which oftentimes causes a loss of MPG overall due to outlandish changes in mixture. There are mods to fix the issue but unless the town or state has not passed laws that limit tampering with the onboard computer. I wonder if they did it right.