Riots in California..

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Just how racist can you get?

Now what are you talking about Zachstar? OMG, it's the "race card" again! Everybody RUN for your lives!!!


You know...

Somebody starts a thread about Twinkies and you pull out the race card because the cream filling is WHITE!!!

Somebody starts a thread about Rainbows and you pull out the race card because BLACK isn't one of the colors!!!

Somebody says they would hate working in the French backwoods of Shreveport and it's RACISM against trees!!! - French trees!!!

Originally Posted by thorn69

Yeah, but I like to make arrests. That's what I do for a living.

Justice starts as soon as the cuffs get slapped onto lowlifes like that and their rights are read to them. I can usually find several other violations to charge them for as well. Play nice and I'll be nice. Act like douche bag and I'll treat you as such! Irregardless, it's always nice to get lowlifes like that off the streets and toss them in a cell with other lowlifes that have a differing opinion than their own! Makes for some excellent diversity training! Don't drop the soap!

Freedom Of Speech was not written into the US Constitution to protect popular speech.

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Freedom Of Speech was not written into the US Constitution to protect popular speech.

Agreed. But when it becomes a public disturbance and somebody else complains the police have no choice but to fix the situation. We can't allow a disturbance to continue on because other people's civil rights are being violated. If the man has reserved the spot with the city he's mouthing off in then he's safe to speak as he wishes. If he's just out inciting riots and murder in the streets, he's a public disturbance.

Originally Posted by thorn69

Agreed. But when it becomes a public disturbance and somebody else complains the police have no choice but to fix the situation. We can't allow a disturbance to continue on because other people's civil rights are being violated. If the man has reserved the spot with the city he's mouthing off in then he's safe to speak as he wishes. If he's just out inciting riots and murder in the streets, he's a public disturbance.

Freedom Of Speech does NOT require government permission.

Best that can be done is to monitor the situation, and see if he does in fact incite a riot.

If not, Constitution trumps Law.

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Freedom Of Speech does NOT require government permission.

It does when it envolves hate speech or if it's going to involve nudity.

[August]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Freedom Of Speech was not written into the US Constitution to protect popular speech.

Uhm yes it most certainly was written to protect popular speech. After all when has a Government or a King ever tried to ban unpopular speech? It's only the words and ideas which resonate with the people that must be protected.

As has been mentioned on this forum many times now, the Bill of Rights are limitations on what government can do, not on what the people can't do.

[krashkart]

Somebody starts a thread about Twinkies and you pull out the race card because the cream filling is WHITE!!!

Twinkies Exposed

Originally Posted by August

Uhm yes it most certainly was written to protect popular speech. After all when has a Government or a King ever tried to ban unpopular speech? It's only the words and ideas which resonate with the people that must be protected.

As has been mentioned on this forum many times now, the Bill of Rights are limitations on what government can do, not on what the people can't do.

Popular speech needs no protection.

The megaphone might be another matter.
If there is a noise ordanance, that could cost him a day in court plus.

This guy isn't wrapped too tight.
Eventualy he'll screw up. More likely sooner than later.
He's already made mistake number one.
He's brough attention to himself. Not smart.

Originally Posted by krashkart

Twinkies Exposed

Racist Twinkies!

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by thorn69

I do my job and I do my job quite well! But as I've already said, I get labeled an a-hole no matter which way I decide to go on a specific matter. Police work is always questioned one way or the other because it always intervenes between two differing viewpoints. So one side isn't going to be happy when an arrest is made and the other side is. That's just how it is!

That's how it is, is it? Is that as far as your dedication to duty goes?

I've never excessively done, or not done, anything unless you're talking about excessively tacking on more and more charges on a criminal violator? That's every police officer though. We all do that for the reason I mentioned in another post. We want arrests to stick and for criminals to go to jail for the longest duration possible and pay the heaviest fines. It makes the streets safer for people for a longer period of time.

This is what I am talking about. It is not your responsibility to make moral judgements about whether or not a person should be charged. Your job is enforcement. What you are doing is selectively enforcing laws, and that is a breach of professional integrity. I can't really blame you for that, though, as it is impossible to enforce all laws within a given area equally. There are just too many of them. I couldn't know them all and I'm expected to obey them. You don't know them all and you're expected to enforce them. The jury sure as hell doesn't know them all and they're expected to deliver a verdict based upon argument made by lawyers, of all people.

Still, it should be a matter of personal pride to hold yourself to a higher standard. You're supposed to be a public officer, and it is not your responsibility or priviledge to decide who is and who is not worthy of punishment by omitting or tacking on charges as you see fit. People look up to police officers, except for when they demonstrate the kind of conduct you advocate, in which case they look down upon them.

Of course our very liberal justice system seems to have a big heart for these criminal lowlifes and consistently allows them to come back again and again to re-commit their crimes on our society. That's the part I've never really understood, especially when it's always the same old bozos out there doing the same old criminal thing. I've arrested some folks over 25 times for the same exact crime. You'd think they'd learn? But what it is - is they just don't care. The laws are too lax and it's all a joke to them. They know they will be out on the streets again to recommit their same old crime again. It's a way of life for them. I just wish we could suprise them and say, "That's strike 25 pal, time for you to get used to prison for the rest of your life!"

I have the same problem with the justice system that you have, though you may not realize it. Where you see criminals going unpunished, I see the wisdom behind the mentality of "criminal intent". I see that criminals can be rehabilitated and lead normal lives. I also see how our justice system allows far too many criminals to walk free because the jails simply cannot handle so many violators. I see how the excessive numbers of laws make it simply impossible to create an effective system of rehabilition or punishment.

It scares me that someone as apparently vindictive as yourself is allowed to enforce the law. If it were up to me, I'd put your contract up for bid to private LE suppliers, and you'd change your tune or be out of a job in short order.

You know, I've noted there are quite a few bleeding heart liberals on this site with a "hug-a-thug" mentality. That's sad!

I haven't noticed the same thing. Most people here are fairly keen on criminal prosecution. You should have seen the last thread on the death penalty! However, most are not as draconian as you and some others, including myself, fault the system rather than the people. There are even a few that bother to look at underlying societal issues.

[August]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Popular speech needs no protection.

Speech that is popular with those in power needs no protection you mean. It's speech that is popular with The People which needs to be protected from government infringement.

You're thinking of some nut with a megaphone spouting drivel. I'm thinking of Thomas Paine's "Common Sense". Now which one do you think a government would be more likely to want to ban?

Originally Posted by August

Speech that is popular with those in power needs no protection you mean. It's speech that is popular with The People which needs to be protected from government infringement.

You're thinking of some nut with a megaphone spouting drivel. I'm thinking of Thomas Paine's "Common Sense". Now which one do you think a government would be more likely to want to ban?

August is exactly right here.

Originally Posted by August

Speech that is popular with those in power needs no protection you mean. It's speech that is popular with The People which needs to be protected from government infringement.

You're thinking of some nut with a megaphone spouting drivel. I'm thinking of Thomas Paine's "Common Sense". Now which one do you think a government would be more likely to want to ban?

Looking at your first paragraph, made it unneccesary (bu preferrable) to go on to the second.

Understood. Agreed.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

But what I cannot understand is all the loudmouths standing around shouting stupidly. WTH is wrong with them, they sound like idiots.

Those loudmouths are typical Californian's. I know, I was born and raised here! Sad thing is, if you know the attitude people develop here, you can pick out the Californian in a public area pretty quickly. (There's a story attached to that. )

As to the black panther video. My gut feeling is it's not genuine, and something someone fabricated to take a stab at the current administration and garner public opinion against it. The video seemed like it was deliberatly grainy, jittery, and I got the impression the lip movement didn't quite match all the words being uttered.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Those loudmouths are typical Californian's. I know, I was born and raised here! Sad thing is, if you know the attitude people develop here, you can pick out the Californian in a public area pretty quickly. (There's a story attached to that. )

As to the black panther video. My gut feeling is it's not genuine, and something someone fabricated to take a stab at the current administration and garner public opinion against it. The video seemed like it was deliberatly grainy, jittery, and I got the impression the lip movement didn't quite match all the words being uttered.

It's not just California. People everywhere do this when the Police get involved. They try to instigate matters and make them worse. They're drama whores! They like to provoke us and the suspects we attempt to take in. It's always the same old thing. That poor bad guy - You evil cop!

These are the same people that spill their drinks on the floor in front of a janitor who just mopped it. It's childish behavior. I like to think that many of them get a karma check sometime in their life.