How many will buy SH5 if DRM is dropped?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

Hi JC,

I am not sure what you are referring to, care to enlighten us?

There have been several folks who have seemed to feel the need to spam every thread with negativaty of the worst sort.

Q: I can't get XXX to work properly.
A: I told you this game was going to bomb!

Q: What do you think of the new UI?
A: DRM SUCKS!

Q: Is there a fix for this problem.
A: SH5 sux! I'm going back to SH4.

New thread: Why I'll stick with SH3 for the foreseeable future.




While I have no problem with complaints (if there aren't any then no one will know what's wrong), there has been a large amount of spamming since the game's release. It has died down somewhat, but occasionally you'll still see it.

[Der Teddy Bar]

Originally Posted by Platapus

So you are in the "undecided" camp?

Please, no, no please don't make me choose!!

[Der Teddy Bar]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

There have been several folks who have seemed to feel the need to spam every thread with negativity of the worst sort.

Q: I can't get XXX to work properly.
A: I told you this game was going to bomb!

Q: What do you think of the new UI?
A: DRM SUCKS!

Q: Is there a fix for this problem.
A: SH5 sux! I'm going back to SH4.

New thread: Why I'll stick with SH3 for the foreseeable future.




While I have no problem with complaints (if there aren't any then no one will know what's wrong), there has been a large amount of spamming since the game's release. It has died down somewhat, but occasionally you'll still see it.

I hear what you are saying, however I am unable to see where that is relevant to this thread?

Admittedly I have been time poor and have been flying in posting and then flying out; literally; and my skimming shows none of that.

[ivank]

Originally Posted by danurve

Mr ubisoft, tear down this wall.

[HKLE]

Without having read this thread, I'd say, that without DRM, the whole thing could gain momentum with some modders finally considering super mods.

I lost interest in this game, seeing no progress on some vital parts - even aside from the bad idea of this DRM, the game still only shines in graphics ?!

If playability - in modded version - would come near SH3, I'd join (after DRM drop of course).

Otherwise I'd leave it in the shelves.

[darkone999]

95 percent of people buy games legit..If ur willing to upset so many people for the other 5% you can keep SH5..I Know I would get fired if I upset so many people at my job...get DRM out of the game u know it makes alot of people mad and they refuse to buy the game..I dont get your logic ubi......



Tim

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by darkone999

95 percent of people buy games legit..

Can you post a link or reference to the place where you got that figure from please?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

I hear what you are saying, however I am unable to see where that is relevant to this thread?

Admittedly I have been time poor and have been flying in posting and then flying out; literally; and my skimming shows none of that.

Well, I was mainly responding to your response to John's response to Harmsway's statement.

That may have been over balanced, or not. This thread has been mostly civil, but there has been so much of that all over the boards that it's hard sometimes to tell where the line is.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it.

[Yak]

If OSP is gone, probably.
I would say about a 75% chance, depending on price too.

With OSP? Not even for $20

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

Hi JC,

I am not sure what you are referring to, care to enlighten us?

Sorry about the delay, I had forgoten I was active in this thread.

What I was referring to was that a number of people who have been posting here even prior to the release of SH5 who had made up their mind it would be crap. It was usually coached in "clever" rhetoric and phraseology, but it was clear that they had a firm position that they were not going to deviate from, regardless of the outcome. You can easily recognize these posts because they usualy begin or end with " I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER UBISOFT GAME...EVAR!"

Now along comes SHV with all of it's challenges , real and imagined, and this same group goes right off the deep end with "told you so" and "you people are idiots for buying it" posts. A week or two of that is OK, but a thread started 3 months after the release seems to me a little much. What else can be achieved other that a self-congratualtory "told you so" fest that is not the logic behind subsim.com..

Making this type of thing even more problematic is the fact that, while the two patches have made small improvements, the work the modders have done is nothing short of extraordinary. SHV, at this point in time, is far far superior to where SH3 and SH4 were at the same stages of their development. But this crowd can't, or won't accept that, so they fall back to their back-up mantra; "The Modders shouldn't have to fix it" and then (and this is the laughable part) go on to extol the virtues of SH3 GWX.

Lastly, and this is the telling point, we are starting to see the true strength of the real Subsim.com community. There is a thread where the real problems are being collected and itemized with the hope that Ubisoft might, at some point in the future, take notice and get in the game.

Whether Ubisoft does or does not is, to me, beside the point. For me the point is that instead of endlessly complaining about things, or patting themselves on the back for opting out, this group is coming together to try to make things better. The understanding is that if you are not part of the solution... well, you know the rest.

JCC

[Reece]

^ This type of thread is posted in the hope that UBI can see the number of people who are against this type of DRM, it is an overkill, because in effect it kills their sales. I keep hoping they read the thread and realize that by dropping this type of DRM they may actually make some money and other modders will join in fixing the bugs, I don't have a good enough internet connection here in country South Australia so what would be the point of buying it! I keep watching and hoping UBI will have a change of heart and drop it! I know it is unlikely but miracles happen!
Keep these threads going!!

[John Channing]

So you don't think the 400 anti-DRM threads before this one got the message through?











JCC

[Sailor Steve]

You can't fool me with your evil lying ways! This is only #398!

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Sorry about the delay, I had forgoten I was active in this thread.

What I was referring to was that a number of people who have been posting here even prior to the release of SH5 who had made up their mind it would be crap. It was usually coached in "clever" rhetoric and phraseology, but it was clear that they had a firm position that they were not going to deviate from, regardless of the outcome. You can easily recognize these posts because they usualy begin or end with " I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER UBISOFT GAME...EVAR!"

Now along comes SHV with all of it's challenges , real and imagined, and this same group goes right off the deep end with "told you so" and "you people are idiots for buying it" posts. A week or two of that is OK, but a thread started 3 months after the release seems to me a little much. What else can be achieved other that a self-congratualtory "told you so" fest that is not the logic behind subsim.com..

Making this type of thing even more problematic is the fact that, while the two patches have made small improvements, the work the modders have done is nothing short of extraordinary. SHV, at this point in time, is far far superior to where SH3 and SH4 were at the same stages of their development. But this crowd can't, or won't accept that, so they fall back to their back-up mantra; "The Modders shouldn't have to fix it" and then (and this is the laughable part) go on to extol the virtues of SH3 GWX.

Lastly, and this is the telling point, we are starting to see the true strength of the real Subsim.com community. There is a thread where the real problems are being collected and itemized with the hope that Ubisoft might, at some point in the future, take notice and get in the game.

Whether Ubisoft does or does not is, to me, beside the point. For me the point is that instead of endlessly complaining about things, or patting themselves on the back for opting out, this group is coming together to try to make things better. The understanding is that if you are not part of the solution... well, you know the rest.

JCC

Very well said sir.

[Reece]

Originally Posted by John Channing

So you don't think the 400 anti-DRM threads before this one got the message through?











JCC

Obviously Not!! I figure, and so do others, that UBI thinks people will eventually give in, this thread proves they haven't!