Riots in California..

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Verdicts are supposed to be about truth, not compromise. This is sickening.

I agree, but verdicts are also about criminal intent. Maybe the jury was stupid, or racially biased, who knows? Maybe the jury had cause to believe that this officer would not intentionally shoot a man he knew to be no threat. I'll have to look into it more.

@thorn69

If you are a law enforcement officer, you should rethink your conduct. You are not Judge Dredd, and the sanctity of the law is violated everytime you choose not to uphold it or uphold it excessively. Your statement here alone is enough to call your character into question in a trial, assuming we can prove that thorn69 is you.

I don't want to bash on you, as I've served alongside enough law-enforcement professionals to know that their job is made unnecessarily difficult and even hopeless, occassionally, but "consummate professionalism" should be your standing order at all times, even in matters of opinion. It isn't fair, but as long as you hold a position in which you are publicly accountable, it is your duty to uphold the integrity and character of your service. This isn't a legal argument, just personal advice.

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

I agree, but verdicts are also about criminal intent. Maybe the jury was stupid, or racially biased, who knows? Maybe the jury had cause to believe that this officer would not intentionally shoot a man he knew to be no threat. I'll have to look into it more.

@thorn69

If you are a law enforcement officer, you should rethink your conduct. You are not Judge Dredd, and the sanctity of the law is violated everytime you choose not to uphold it or uphold it excessively. Your statement here alone is enough to call your character into question in a trial, assuming we can prove that thorn69 is you.

I don't want to bash on you, as I've served alongside enough law-enforcement professionals to know that their job is made unnecessarily difficult and even hopeless, occassionally, but "consummate professionalism" should be your standing order at all times, even in matters of opinion. It isn't fair, but as long as you hold a position in which you are publicly accountable, it is your duty to uphold the integrity and character of your service. This isn't a legal argument, just personal advice.

I do my job and I do my job quite well! But as I've already said, I get labeled an a-hole no matter which way I decide to go on a specific matter. Police work is always questioned one way or the other because it always intervenes between two differing viewpoints. So one side isn't going to be happy when an arrest is made and the other side is. That's just how it is!

I've never excessively done, or not done, anything unless you're talking about excessively tacking on more and more charges on a criminal violator? That's every police officer though. We all do that for the reason I mentioned in another post. We want arrests to stick and for criminals to go to jail for the longest duration possible and pay the heaviest fines. It makes the streets safer for people for a longer period of time.

Of course our very liberal justice system seems to have a big heart for these criminal lowlifes and consistently allows them to come back again and again to re-commit their crimes on our society. That's the part I've never really understood, especially when it's always the same old bozos out there doing the same old criminal thing. I've arrested some folks over 25 times for the same exact crime. You'd think they'd learn? But what it is - is they just don't care. The laws are too lax and it's all a joke to them. They know they will be out on the streets again to recommit their same old crime again. It's a way of life for them. I just wish we could suprise them and say, "That's strike 25 pal, time for you to get used to prison for the rest of your life!"


You know, I've noted there are quite a few bleeding heart liberals on this site with a "hug-a-thug" mentality. That's sad!

[GoldenRivet]

I've seen the video.

Hard to say if the shooting was accidental or not.

however, based on my observations of the video, he did quite abruptly blow this man away, but he also appeared to be surprised at what happened.



at 1:55 the officer clearly appears surprised by the discharge of the firearm.

It could have been either that he improperly handled the firearm or that he thought he had drawn his tazer (assuming he was so equipped) and in the adrenaline rush of the moment, fired expecting a "zzzzzzzzttttt" and instead getting a distinctive "POP".

If i were on the Jury in this particular case, after hearing the evidence of both sides and reviewing this video... i probably would have a hard time ruling this a "premeditated murder" however, when i first heard "involuntary manslaughter" i was suprised.

I know nothing about the case other than what i have seem on the above referenced video. so im not in a position - as the Jury would have been - to cast a verdict.

but upon my inspection of the video i would say that the transit cop appeared shocked or surprised by what had happened.

to me, that indicates an accident.

however, accident or not, a man is dead, his family now without him, and an officer's career and life ruined.

accidents kill people every day, the particularly troubling thing about this is that you expect a higher level of professionalism from a LEO than to accidentally discharge his weapon... least of all into the back of a disarmed and mostly subdued individual.

a sad situation.

Justice is a very funny thing... I'm 100% sure that if this officer had received any sentence other than the death penalty there would have been rioting.

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

I've seen the video.

Hard to say if the shooting was accidental or not.

however, based on my observations of the video, he did quite abruptly blow this man away, but he also appeared to be surprised at what happened.



at 1:55 the officer clearly appears surprised by the discharge of the firearm.

It could have been either that he improperly handled the firearm or that he thought he had drawn his tazer (assuming he was so equipped) and in the adrenaline rush of the moment, fired expecting a "zzzzzzzzttttt" and instead getting a distinctive "POP".

If i were on the Jury in this particular case, after hearing the evidence of both sides and reviewing this video... i probably would have a hard time ruling this a "premeditated murder" however, when i first heard "involuntary manslaughter" i was suprised.

I know nothing about the case other than what i have seem on the above referenced video. so im not in a position - as the Jury would have been - to cast a verdict.

but upon my inspection of the video i would say that the transit cop appeared shocked or surprised by what had happened.

to me, that indicates an accident.

however, accident or not, a man is dead, his family now without him, and an officer's career and life ruined.

accidents kill people every day, the particularly troubling thing about this is that you expect a higher level of professionalism from a LEO than to accidentally discharge his weapon... least of all into the back of a disarmed and mostly subdued individual.

a sad situation.

Justice is a very funny thing... I'm 100% sure that if this officer had received any sentence other than the death penalty there would have been rioting.

The point of this video and topic is not about whether the Officer was wrong or right in his actions. It's clearly obvious that he screwed up and he's going to pay a heavy price for that. The point of this video and the OP was that blacks in society often feel a need to riot and protest violently when the justice they're seeking is not administered to their liking. A white man was supposed to apparently die in this case!

Somebody else eventually posted in here that there's rarely a case where white people openly riot and protest violently when the justice they're seeking isn't carried out. He's right to point out the double-standard that's present here. He finds that this form of rioting and protest is grossly unwarranted in today's society. Why? Because it's racism against whites and white authority plain and simple. It's true, if a black Officer shot and killed this black suspect then this wouldn't have even made the news.

People on here shouldn't be bashing on GORPET for his opinion. Heck, they should actually be siding with him for pointing out the double-standard. The fact that this guy came out and voiced his opinion after 5 years of silence and finally spoke up about this should speak volumes about how silenced the white voice has become in our society. Apparently blacks in society are the only ones that should have a voice!

Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Verdicts are supposed to be about truth, not compromise. This is sickening.

You don't know much about court system do you? Everything in court is about compromise. Truth is always nice but getting the truth to come out is next to impossible unless somebody is foolish enough to self incriminate themselves. It's not like bad guys turn into "tell all's" on the stand ya know! Not unless something is given to them beforehand!

Court is nothing more than a battleground for the prosecution and defense to battle out a compromise. That's why there are "plea bargains". Hence the word, "bargain". Bargains are "deals" and "deals" are "compromises". Nobody usually ever gets what they want in court. Judges are usually very liberal and play the "safe card" instead of making real judgments. They have the law to tell them what judgment they can make in specific case and those laws are usually very liberal. For instance, a judge could sentence somebody to 1 year in prison or 20 years for the same offense. That's a lot of years for them to play around with.

It's rare that a judge will award someone the full sentence unless there's undeniable evidence present that makes the judge think the defendant is somehow lying. And usually if there's "smoking gun" evidence like that present the defense will beg the prosecution for a plea deal and aim for a lesser sentence before getting out in front of the judge and jury. This makes it an instant win for the prosecution without having to take any risks of the "smoking gun" evidence not actually garnishing the results the prosecution would be hoping for.

I've seen judges turn "smoking gun" evidence into inadmissible evidence in a blink of an eye and watched the prosecution lose it's entire case by getting over zealous and trying to slam someone away for a life sentence and watched a murderer walk away!

If the prosecution can get the defendant to admit guilt then they have an instant win and don't have to worry about proving anything. Of course they usually have to give the defendant something in return for them to admit guilt - usually a much lesser sentence or some other "hook-up" that will benefit the defendant during his time in prison.

I trust you have a better understanding now about how it works and can see that court is nothing BUT compromises.

[Zachstar]

Stop acting like your are law enforcement. It is just offensive at this point. Offensive to me because of the men and women who risk their lives on the streets of Shreveport to make us just a bit safer and at the same time have a bright attitude so that I feel like a friend talking with them not some outsider.

Its offensive as my grandfather served and even helped establish a local union for officers and their families.

Stop acting like your LE or get off this forum.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by thorn69

The point of this video and topic is not about whether the Officer was wrong or right in his actions. It's clearly obvious that he screwed up and he's going to pay a heavy price for that. The point of this video and the OP was that blacks in society often feel a need to riot and protest violently when the justice they're seeking is not administered to their liking. A white man was supposed to apparently die in this case!

Somebody else eventually posted in here that there's rarely a case where white people openly riot and protest violently when the justice they're seeking isn't carried out. He's right to point out the double-standard that's present here. He finds that this form of rioting and protest is grossly unwarranted in today's society. Why? Because it's racism against whites and white authority plain and simple. It's true, if a black Officer shot and killed this black suspect then this wouldn't have even made the news.

People on here shouldn't be bashing on GORPET for his opinion. Heck, they should actually be siding with him for pointing out the double-standard. The fact that this guy came out and voiced his opinion after 5 years of silence and finally spoke up about this should speak volumes about how silenced the white voice has become in our society. Apparently blacks in society are the only ones that should have a voice!

Wow.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Stop acting like your are law enforcement. It is just offensive at this point. Offensive to me because of the men and women who risk their lives on the streets of Shreveport to make us just a bit safer and at the same time have a bright attitude so that I feel like a friend talking with them not some outsider.

Its offensive as my grandfather served and even helped establish a local union for officers and their families.

Stop acting like your LE or get off this forum.

Sorry, but I am. Glad I don't work in Shreveport either. Way too backwoods French and I wouldn't want to upset your fragile sense of what a good Police Officer should be.

[August]

No way is this guy a real cop.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by August

No way is this guy a real cop.

Agreed. He completely lacks the temperment required of any police officer. He would have been fired a dozen times over by now.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by August

No way is this guy a real cop.

He might be... in the same sense as Paul Blart.

Originally Posted by August

No way is this guy a real cop.

It doesn't matter what you think! I still earn a paycheck twice a month regardless.

Note to self: Never tell people on the net that you're a Police Officer because they're like "Na-uh" like you just told them you were an Astronaut or something. Oh well, I won't lose sleep over it!

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by thorn69

It doesn't matter what you think! I still earn a paycheck twice a month regardless.

Note to self: Never tell people on the net that you're a Police Officer because they're like "Na-uh" like you just told them you were an Astronaut or something. Oh well, I won't lose sleep over it!

No, we have several members who are in law enforcement. You can always tell the real ones because they don't post things like this:

It's my official right and duty to charge people with whatever I feel they should be charged with. For instance, I don't have to pull over a speeder even though I've just seen them violate the law. I don't even have to write them a ticket if I pull them over. I do it when I feel they need to be pulled over and I write out tickets when I feel they need one...or even 10.

Yeah, that's not how it works.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by thorn69

Sorry, but I am. Glad I don't work in Shreveport either. Way too backwoods French and I wouldn't want to upset your fragile sense of what a good Police Officer should be.

Geez man. Insult an entire group of people while you are at it.

Just leave this forum. Before Neal Keelhauls your account.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by thorn69

It doesn't matter what you think! I still earn a paycheck twice a month regardless.

Note to self: Never tell people on the net that you're a Police Officer because they're like "Na-uh" like you just told them you were an Astronaut or something. Oh well, I won't lose sleep over it!

This isnt a forum full of 12 years olds. Multiple veterans officers fire fighters and other civic protectors post on this forum and their credentials are almost never questioned unlike your supposed credentials why? Because while they may be of differing political parties ideologies and regions. They understand what their job is and do not use it as some kind of bargaining chip or 1up.

You sir in my opinion are no police officer.. Now leave