SUBSIM Radio Room Forums



SUBSIM: The Web's #1 resource for all submarine & naval simulations since 1997

Go Back   SUBSIM Radio Room Forums > General > General Topics
Forget password? Reset here

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 07-06-10, 03:48 PM   #16
Tribesman
Stowaway
 
Posts: n/a
Downloads:
Uploads:
Default

Quote:
Bring back Black Jack Pershing.

His success or failure in his task is not the issue.
Surely his failure is an issue as it wouldn't make sense to try something again already knowing it won't work.

Quote:
The issue is that the US Government has in the past used the US Army to protect US Citizens on and near the mexican border.
But it didn't work.

Quote:
Defending HOME borders is the primary role of armies.
But this is a customs and immigration issue so its the primary role of US customs and border protection and US immigration and customs enforcement agencies not the army.
To put it plainly its a police matter.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-10, 05:48 PM   #17
GoldenRivet
Subsim Aviator
 
GoldenRivet's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2007
Location: Texas
Posts: 8,726
Downloads: 146
Uploads: 0


Default

All i can say with certainty is that if we had a president with any balls between his legs...

the FIRST threat to US law enforcement personnel by illegal intruders into this nation would be the last.
__________________
GoldenRivet is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-06-10, 08:11 PM   #18
Castout
Silent Hunter
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: Jakarta
Posts: 4,794
Downloads: 89
Uploads: 6
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Sailor Steve View Post
Invade

–verb (used with object)

1. to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.
Then again it was because Germany lost the war had they won it would be Poland invaded Germany in 1939
__________________
Castout is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-10, 03:07 AM   #19
Snestorm
Stowaway
 
Posts: n/a
Downloads:
Uploads:
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Tribesman View Post
But this is a customs and immigration issue so its the primary role of US customs and border protection and US immigration and customs enforcement agencies not the army.
To put it plainly its a police matter.
Customs is for people entering through legal checkpoints and channels.

Immigration determines who may enter, through legal checkpoints and channels, and may deny entry to some, or force the deportation of others.

When the numbers entering through non-legitimate channels reaches into the millions, it's an invasion. The purpose of an army, is to defend their country's border.
  Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-10, 03:36 AM   #20
Gerald
SUBSIM Newsman
 
Gerald's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Location: Close to sea
Posts: 24,254
Downloads: 553
Uploads: 0


Man!

Quote:
Originally Posted by GoldenRivet View Post
All i can say with certainty is that if we had a president with any balls between his legs...

the FIRST threat to US law enforcement personnel by illegal intruders into this nation would be the last.
Time to take day off.....
__________________
Nothing in life is to be feard,it is only to be understood.

Marie Curie





Gerald is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 07-07-10, 04:17 AM   #21
Skybird
Soaring
 
Skybird's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: the mental asylum named Germany
Posts: 42,679
Downloads: 10
Uploads: 0


Default

In Germany, we don't hear much news on the internal war in Mexico between the government and the drug cartels, but it seems the government already has lost it. This German essay sheds some light on it, and puts the topic of this thread into relation. I think it is not regular Mexican army units acting by order of the government when doing those border crossings, but it is corrupted criminals who are in the pockets of the drug cartels.

The US must urgently rethink it's approach to the border problem, and it's relation to the government. It prioritizes rraltions to an actor who is not master in his house, and by doing so ignores the more immediate, threatening implication.

Problems do not go away when ignoring them and hoping for the fair queen solving them. Instead, they grow. This serious thinking error the foreign political team of the Obama administration seems to be extremely vulnerable to, in general.

since the DEA and the borderpatrols seem to be unable to handle the situation and thus, plice authorities have failed, I would send the National guard to the border areas in question, and engage these militant border crossings with military force: infantry, mortars, gunships. Mexico hardly is in a moral position to complain.
__________________
If you feel nuts, consult an expert.
Skybird is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 11:57 AM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2025, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright © 1995- 2025 Subsim®
"Subsim" is a registered trademark, all rights reserved.