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Old 07-06-10, 06:10 AM   #1
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you must admit it is a unique situation which requires some outside the box thinking
Not really, criminal enterprises by elements of the military or law enforcement are nothing new, cross border ones are just more lucrative

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so you mean to tell me, every day, elements of the German Military cross 30-50 miles into Poland without any authorization to do so?
Is that what was written? No.
However, Poland Germany, thats an open border isn't it. So what on earth would the military be trafficing?

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well said
But that would raise another issue, if you close the border and declare that the Mexican government doesn't control its country you would be stuck with illegals already in the country and would face applications for refugee status from any new ones.
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Old 07-06-10, 08:24 AM   #2
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I would say Yes and Yes
It's crime definately not a military operation, but it's stil an invasion, but not the start wars kind
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Old 07-06-10, 08:37 AM   #3
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Invade

–verb (used with object)

1. to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.

2. to enter like an enemy: Locusts invaded the fields.

3. to enter as if to take possession: to invade a neighbor's home.

4. to enter and affect injuriously or destructively, as disease: viruses that invade the bloodstream.

5. to intrude upon: to invade the privacy of a family.

6. to encroach or infringe upon: to invade the rights of citizens.

7. to permeate: The smell of baking invades the house.

8. to penetrate; spread into or over: The population boom has caused city dwellers to invade the suburbs.



Definitions 6 and 8 could be taken in the lesser ways you suggest, but in national terms 'invade' implies an attempt by one government to conquer another.
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Old 07-06-10, 10:06 AM   #4
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I was under the impression that the smuggling of arms is mostly into Mexico, not from Mexico. Perhaps it's a two way street to launder the source of illegally obtained firearms.
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Old 07-06-10, 10:29 AM   #5
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Thats the problem with law it usually sees black or white(some say its blind lol)
While criminals or terrorist can walk the thin line every one is arguing if it its legal to take action against them.
Not saying that law should not be respected but sometimes total liberty can be exploited too easily.
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Old 07-06-10, 10:43 AM   #6
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Well, it's worked for Cuba. No problems there.
Isn't it funny that hispanics illegally entering america from a screwed up country are cause celebre if its one country and evil invaders who speak spanish if they are from another country.
To take one of Chapelles lines and alter it a bit..... If Gonzalez had been from Mexico instead of Cuba they would have dragged his sorry ass off the innertube and kicked him straight back to where he came from.
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Old 07-06-10, 12:19 PM   #7
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Bring back Black Jack Pershing.

His success or failure in his task is not the issue.
The issue is that the US Government has in the past used the US Army to protect US Citizens on and near the mexican border.
Defending HOME borders is the primary role of armies.

USA has military bases around the world, but not so much as an outpost to guard her own border?
Something stinks in USA.
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Old 07-06-10, 08:11 PM   #8
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Invade

–verb (used with object)

1. to enter forcefully as an enemy; go into with hostile intent: Germany invaded Poland in 1939.
Then again it was because Germany lost the war had they won it would be Poland invaded Germany in 1939
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