Ranking of U.S. Presidents by historians

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

After the books I've listed as having read on the man, you think you need to tell me to look it up? Of course he was a slaveowner, as were Madison and Washington. Have you read Jefferson's writings on the subject? He was conflicted at the very least, if not actually hypocritical. He tried to get Virginia to free the slaves twice, then seemed to slip into a torpid complacency. Jefferson is an enigma, and remains so to this day.


Yes, I'm very well versed on Sally Hemings, and can show you all the pro-and-con evidence if you have a few hours to spare.


And you're attacking again, for no apparent reason. When have I ever ridiculed the South? I simply answered your allegations with facts, which you still haven't bothered to answer.


Jefferson was a true genius, and fascinates me, warts and all. What makes you think I ever supported Clinton? You seem to be making this up as you go along.


Didn't you just get done accusing me of only siding with the "popular opinion?" Which is it?


Just like Ike?

I'm still waiting for you to produce facts rather than shout diatribe.

True, Ike tried to divorce his wife and was known to have marital problems BEFORE being elected. He was in a war zone when he found another woman, unlike Clinton who just had an affair with a lowly intern and never in his life was ever close to a war zone. Big time draft dodger!

Ike had his fling PRIOR to being elected and I'm not all that sure that Summersby's account is all that accurate considering her book was written way after (1977) the man died (1969). That's a bit low. Of course she got the last word so that makes her right in your book. Typical.