Ranking of U.S. Presidents by historians

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Because someone with an axe to grind wasn't satisfied with saying he didn't like two presidents, but felt the need to rant about his pet cause.

That's the way it happens sometimes.

And YOU'RE NOT guilty of the same exact thing? How dishonest of you! But I expected nothing less.

BTW, to answer a part of your very tiresome post from earlier. It was called the "Fugitive Slavery Clause". It was in the US Constitution. Look it up if you're unaware of what this is or what it was. Only a few states (3 of them) had banned slavery (all of them up North) but it was Federal law that the government had to help slave catchers retrieve their runaway property even in states that weren't participating in the slavery trade.

Also, Lincoln never got around to imposing the tax on the South. He stated before his election what he would do if he was elected. Of course when he got elected the South knew what it was facing. An Obama of the past, Lincoln was a tyrant who sought to steal from the wealthy and give to the poor. Lincoln was the nations first socialist puppet. Really, he didn't care about slavery, or that it existed, he cared that it wasn't making him or any of the people up north rich. Just like the people of today don't really care who's rich or not. They just care that they aren't and are bitterly jealous they don't have any money. Of course when they get money they want to convert to the republican/pro-capitalist side of thinking since it benefits them. Why would they want to give their money away to any poor person? And there's the Clinton two-step for ya if you didn't know how to do that dance.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by thorn69

And YOU'RE NOT guilty of the same exact thing? How dishonest of you! But I expected nothing less.

BTW, to answer a part of your very tiresome post from earlier. It was called the "Fugitive Slavery Clause". It was in the US Constitution. Look it up if you're unaware of what this is or what it was. Only a few states (3 of them) had banned slavery (all of them up North) but it was Federal law that the government had to help slave catchers retrieve their runaway property even in states that weren't participating in the slavery trade.

So pray tell why the fugitive slave act was passed?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by thorn69

And YOU'RE NOT guilty of the same exact thing? How dishonest of you! But I expected nothing less.

Derailing threads? Only all the time. And every time someone has called me on it I've apologised.

You expected "nothing less"? You seem bent on branding me as opinionated, and yet you haven't once backed up any of your opinions with facts. Fair enough, a little about me. I came to a point some time ago where I realized that I knew a lot less than I thought I did. If you had read my sig last month you would have seen "They say the more you learn the less you know. I've reached a point in my life where I've learned so much I don't know anything." While couched in humor, I fully believe that to be true. If I can't show facts, I try not to espouse an opinion, because I've been wrong far too many times for my own satisfaction. I once had a sig that was mildly offensive to some. When someone pointed that out I immediately apologised and took it down.

Does this mean I think I'm a good person? Not at all. I like to say I could never be an "ist" of any kind because I would first have to find someone who was lower on the scale than I am.

I read from you 'Stones' thread that you are married. Are you a good husband? If you have children, are you a good father? If so, then you are a better person than I am. I was a lousy husband and a mediocre father. I'm not overly bright, but I am blessed and cursed with an outstanding memory. Blessed because I can remember where I read things and know where to look them up; cursed because I still remember stupid things I did fifty years ago. That's embarrasing.

These days I try not to have an opinion on anything. If there aren't facts to show it, then I don't know and neither does anybody else.

Is there a God? I don't know. I won't deny it, but I would like to see some evidence.

UFOs? Kennedy conspiracy? Trade Center? OJ? I don't know. I look at the evidence that is there and it's inconclusive in every case.

BTW, to answer a part of your very tiresome post from earlier. It was called the "Fugitive Slavery Clause". It was in the US Constitution. Look it up if you're unaware of what this is or what it was. Only a few states (3 of them) had banned slavery (all of them up North) but it was Federal law that the government had to help slave catchers retrieve their runaway property even in states that weren't participating in the slavery trade.

I'm well aware of the Fugitive Slave Law. Again, it was a compromise that was forced by the Southern States if they were going to join. Are you saying that part of secession was about that? If so, then it was about slavery after all.

Also, Lincoln never got around to imposing the tax on the South. He stated before his election what he would do if he was elected.

Quote please? When did he say this? If I'm wrong of course I'll admit it.

Lincoln was a tyrant who sought to steal from the wealthy and give to the poor. Lincoln was the nations first socialist puppet. Really, he didn't care about slavery, or that it existed, he cared that it wasn't making him or any of the people up north rich.

Again, please give actual evidence. You seem to like to accuse people without any.

Also, please actually answer my comments in the other thread. The Southern States' Declarations of Causes? Any real comment, or just more diatribe?