How many will buy SH5 if DRM is dropped? - Page 6

Sailor Steve · 07-04-10, 11:57 PM

Well that was awful. Look for the Shakespeare version.

mikeydredd · 07-05-10, 06:54 AM

Without wishing to be accused of slagging this product off - I've seen it, I've played it both un-modded and modded and

I wouldn't give Ubisoft a single penny for it. And obviously they couldn't give a toss one way or the other.

So I guess that means NO.

Fair play to the modders though. I wish the ethos behind this game was more deserving of their time and very fine efforts.

Have a nice day.

Dredd

Harmsway! · 07-05-10, 06:55 AM

There are only two reasons why I don't own SH5 and they have nothing to do with the current state of game play.

#1 is my hardware won't support it
#2 DRM

My problem with DRM is this. Forget price, what if SH5 is the best subsim out there and I am crazy about it. Then one day UBI decides to no longer support the servers. Then what do I do. I can't launch my favorite game?

Now I truly believe UBI will relieve the log-on requirement before they shut down but there's no way to know. Why should modders expend the effort to find that there work can't be used. Let's hope this is never the case but right now it set up to fail.

---------

Next topic playability.

What am I nuts that I don't care about the current state of game play? Well from what I've been reading the mods take care of the main issues and its only going to get better. The biggest issue of the weak campaign play is only temporary. All of the SH series needed a rewrite on the campaign side. What would SHIII be without GWX or SHIV without RSRD or OM?

Come on...this is what UBI is doing well. They give us a mission editor that you don't even need to know code for. We can re-write missions and even campaigns. And they leave parts of the game open for those of us that can code.

I have no doubt that SH5 will one day be the best subsim there is. Let's only hope we can launch the sim without the need for online connection.

Der Teddy Bar · 07-05-10, 07:17 AM

Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter.

No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war.

No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3.

No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features.

No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly.

No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along.

Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.

Harmsway! · 07-05-10, 07:47 AM

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

Sailor Steve · 07-05-10, 08:22 AM

Well said, Harmsway.

Kissaki · 07-05-10, 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter.

No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war.

No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3.

No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features.

No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly.

No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along.

Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.

I voted "yes", but after reading your post, I'm inclined to agree with you. I didn't even realize you'd be stuck with the type VII and that the whole war wasn't even included.

John Channing · 07-05-10, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Harmsway!

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

Unfortunately some feel axes need regular grinding and a few of the ones beting trotted out here are almost 10 years old.

Was ever thus...

JCC

scrapser · 07-06-10, 01:18 PM

Can Geico save you 15% on car insurance?

Does Ubisoft have a problem with producing quality sub sims?

Frumpkis · 07-06-10, 02:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmsway!

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

That's true, but it's not the only tactical sim niche. There are niche air combat games like DCS Blackshark, LockOn: Flaming Cliffs, Over Flanders Fields, Rise of Flight -- where the developers take the the product seriously, and offer continuing support after purchase. Ubi just looks bad by comparison. It's hard not to notice and comment on it, in the context of the rest of the game/simulation market.

Quote:

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

Hate is too strong a word for what some people are posting here. For some of us (me, anyway), it's a question of tracking the status of the game and seeing when it reaches a point where it might be worth buying and playing. I don't have a lot of free time for gaming at home, and I don't want to waste it when there are other good games out there to play.

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

Unfortunately some feel axes need regular grinding and a few of the ones being trotted out here are almost 10 years old.

Was ever thus...

Well, there's a difference between grinding axes in unrelated threads, and a thread that's an opinion poll. You know, where people are being asked their opinion of the game?

Platapus · 07-06-10, 07:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Der Teddy Bar

Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter.

No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war.

No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3.

No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features.

No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly.

No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along.

Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.

So you are in the "undecided" camp?

Harmsway! · 07-06-10, 08:05 PM

Frumpkis you have some good points. I too am still waiting. Hopefully by next spring UBIsoft will have removed the DRM. The game has already drop to $20. That's half of what it cost to buy SH4 gold.

danurve · 07-06-10, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Well said, Harmsway.

I frackin agree.

Der Teddy Bar · 07-07-10, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Harmsway!

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

Hi Harmsway,

While I agree submarine simulations do not come within Cooee of a AAA title I have not seen any valid data that supports the view we are a niche market and I would say the numbers that participate in Subsim would suggest the opposite. It would be interesting to have the figures.

I think sub sims are a generational thing as a lot of my friends have ventured into the murky depths and would consider doing so again.

I do not see being a niche market as a mitigating factor in what is delivered. As such I cannot disagree more with you when you say "We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have." - Note I respect your view, just strongly disagree with it and Frumpkis's 1st paragraph sums it up nicely.

Der Teddy Bar · 07-07-10, 02:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

Unfortunately some feel axes need regular grinding and a few of the ones beting trotted out here are almost 10 years old.

Was ever thus...

JCC

Hi JC,

I am not sure what you are referring to, care to enlighten us?

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07-04-10, 11:57 PM	#76
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well that was awful. Look for the Shakespeare version. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-05-10, 08:22 AM	#81
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Well said, Harmsway. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-06-10, 01:18 PM	#84
scrapser Captain Join Date: Apr 2002 Posts: 530 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	Can Geico save you 15% on car insurance? Does Ubisoft have a problem with producing quality sub sims? __________________ Gaming Computer Specs: CM Stacker 930 DFI LP UT X58-T3eH8 i7 920 CPU TR 120 Extreme HS (lapped) 6 GB OCZ Platinum 1600 (8x175 = 1400) BFG GTX 295 Silverstone DA1000W PSU Sony GDM-FW900 24" Wide Screen CRT WinXP Pro 32-bit

07-05-10, 06:54 AM	#77
mikeydredd Bosun Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 65 Downloads: 36 Uploads: 0	Without wishing to be accused of slagging this product off - I've seen it, I've played it both un-modded and modded and I wouldn't give Ubisoft a single penny for it. And obviously they couldn't give a toss one way or the other. So I guess that means NO. Fair play to the modders though. I wish the ethos behind this game was more deserving of their time and very fine efforts. Have a nice day. Dredd

07-05-10, 06:55 AM	#78
Harmsway! XO Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 400 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	There are only two reasons why I don't own SH5 and they have nothing to do with the current state of game play. #1 is my hardware won't support it #2 DRM My problem with DRM is this. Forget price, what if SH5 is the best subsim out there and I am crazy about it. Then one day UBI decides to no longer support the servers. Then what do I do. I can't launch my favorite game? Now I truly believe UBI will relieve the log-on requirement before they shut down but there's no way to know. Why should modders expend the effort to find that there work can't be used. Let's hope this is never the case but right now it set up to fail. --------- Next topic playability. What am I nuts that I don't care about the current state of game play? Well from what I've been reading the mods take care of the main issues and its only going to get better. The biggest issue of the weak campaign play is only temporary. All of the SH series needed a rewrite on the campaign side. What would SHIII be without GWX or SHIV without RSRD or OM? Come on...this is what UBI is doing well. They give us a mission editor that you don't even need to know code for. We can re-write missions and even campaigns. And they leave parts of the game open for those of us that can code. I have no doubt that SH5 will one day be the best subsim there is. Let's only hope we can launch the sim without the need for online connection.

07-05-10, 07:17 AM	#79
Der Teddy Bar Blade Master Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 1,388 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter. No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war. No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3. No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features. No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly. No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along. Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.

07-05-10, 07:47 AM	#80
Harmsway! XO Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 400 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims. We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

07-06-10, 08:05 PM	#87
Harmsway! XO Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Florida Posts: 400 Downloads: 126 Uploads: 0	Frumpkis you have some good points. I too am still waiting. Hopefully by next spring UBIsoft will have removed the DRM. The game has already drop to $20. That's half of what it cost to buy SH4 gold.