German Police Arrest man with "Hitlermobil"

[Gerald]

Passanger in station Harburg in north Germany reaact,when Adolf Hitlers voice screaming
out over perrong,Adolf Hitlers speech ending traditional nazi,”sieg heil”.
He had also a foto with svastika.

police say at he can have up to 3 years in prison!

[GoldenRivet]

Wow.

kidna have to wonder what this guy was thinking.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Wow.

kidna have to wonder what this guy was thinking.

strange,however maybe he need some medical mental hospital,fore a while.....

I'm quite sure that what he had to say was unpopular with many people.

One must stop, think, and remmember, that free speech is not written into constitutions to protect popular speech, which needs no such protection.

It would seem that tyranical government has never left Germany.
It just switched to the opposite extreme.
Meaning this german government is no better than that which they condem.

When Free Speech is killed, Free Thinking is the next target.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

I'm quite sure that what he had to say was unpopular with many people.

One must stop, think, and remmember, that free speech is not written into constitutions to protect popular speech, which needs no such protection.

It would seem that tyranical government has never left Germany.
It just switched to the opposite extreme.
Meaning this german government is no better than that which they condem.

When Free Speech is killed, Free Thinking is the next target.

is humans right

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

I'm quite sure that what he had to say was unpopular with many people.

One must stop, think, and remmember, that free speech is not written into constitutions to protect popular speech, which needs no such protection.

It would seem that tyranical government has never left Germany.
It just switched to the opposite extreme.
Meaning this german government is no better than that which they condem.

With that you just have disqualified yourself. I could as well compare Obama to the KKK.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

is humans right

And what the Nazis did and propagated (und propagate until today) - was that too "humans right"?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Skybird

And what the Nazis did and propagated (und propagate until today) - was that too "humans right"?

I say no,But thing was more,wide and this was focus on "one person". so my statment was about human right,everyone have to be free to say or think,in any case

Originally Posted by Skybird

With that you just have disqualified yourself. I could as well compare Obama to the KKK.

Obama, and the KKK, is an ocean away.

USA doesn't have the Free Speech problem. Germany does.
Three years in prison for violating speech regulation???!
Is this a free country we are discussing, or has sharia law kicked in already?

Originally Posted by Vendor

I say no,But thing was more,wide and this was focus on "one person". so my statment was about human right,everyone have to be free to say or think,in any case

Exactly.
We don't have to support what the person said, in order to support his right to say it.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Obama, and the KKK, is an ocean away.

USA doesn't have the Free Speech problem. Germany does.
Three years in prison for violating speech regulation???!
Is this a free country we are discussing, or has sharia law kicked in already?

3 years is the maximum penalty. It can be less - and most often it is a suspedned penalty=no penlaty anyway. This is no speech regulation law. This is banning Nazi speech that is rated as "Volksverhetzung". Politicians try to manipulate and inflöuence the emdia over here the same way liek they do in the US. However, if you think you must compare the current poltical system with that of the Third Reich and german governments with Hitler, than obviosuly yopur knowledge of German history is seriously flawed, or you knowledge of current politics is serioulsy flawed, or most likely both is seriously flawed.

The world'S biggest white supremacist and Nazi network that organises and financially funds Nazi activity internationally, since long time is no longer in Germany or Europe, but the US. A racist organisation like the KKK would jhardly escape legal ban in Germany, while in the US it is tolerated in the name of free speech. at the same time, europe is blind on one eye for racist speech by Islamic hate preachers and tolerate them in the name of free speech, and radicals use free speech for wanting to ban free speech if it is critical of religion and islam - which then they would call racist.

Before telling a new post-war Germany - that has learned at least some of the lessons of history - about free speech, clean up your own house and realise how your total freedom of speech idea is fostering extremism, racism and limitation of free speech in other places outside the US, and sometimes even inside the US.

As long as somebody lives not alone on a planet, he lives in a community to greater or lesser degree and varying levels of interaction, and thus his freedoms necessarily touches upon the freedoms of others, and theirs effect him in return. There cannot be "inlimited" freedom in such a setting that is different from the law of the strongest, an idea I strongly reject. It is critical to find a balance where a possible maximum of freedoms for both sides can be acchieved (and protected), a balance that is set so that the limitations for both is as minimal as possible, and a consense is reached on defining the legitimate inetrests of the community itself - an individual should not have a right to act in a way that maximises his own profit at the cost of chnaces and life quality of coming generations, for example. That is both a fragile and difficult setting to find at times, and much economic lobbying aims at just preventing right this and maximise profit making in the preent while destroying future chnaces for the next egneration. The abuse of "tolerance!" to limit free speech for the purpose to ban critical thinking of religion, is an illustration of how difficult it is and what hidden implications wait to trap the unaware. I am aware of where you come from, and in parts have symoathy. But your dogmatic ultra-maximum stand simply puts it to extremes I am not willing to support.

Nevertheless, simply demanding utopi maximums for one thing, and ignoring the deficits that cause for others, is not helpful. we have had hitler and Nazi tyranny ove rhere, and it costed us and your people as well and much of the world dearly. It is fully understamdable that the kind of thinling that led to this madness does not enjoy the same levels of tolerance and legal protection like other thoughts and opiunions do. More, I would say it is our duty to learn the lessons from 6 million Jews gassed and 56 million people killed in WWII, and making the thinking that led to these catastrophes a taboo. we must not tolerate any genocidal concept and we must not act politely on denial of historic mass murder. and certainly we must not tolerate people wanting to revive these disatrous historic events by reviving nazism again. I run a zero tolerance policy not only against religious nutheads, scientology and islam, but also against Nazism.

And our society anyway has both the right and - with regard to the next generation - even the duty to protect itself from what could or wants to destroy it. Not only Volksverhetzung and Nazi propaganda is banned in Germany, but also material, speech and deeds that aim at destzroying and overhwelming the constitutional order.

You have that in America, too. you call it "in the interest of national security".

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Snestorm

I'm quite sure that what he had to say was unpopular with many people.

One must stop, think, and remmember, that free speech is not written into constitutions to protect popular speech, which needs no such protection.

It would seem that tyranical government has never left Germany.
It just switched to the opposite extreme.
Meaning this german government is no better than that which they condem.

When Free Speech is killed, Free Thinking is the next target.

Very well said,screw the system and SPEAK YOUR MIND!
Although what that guy did in Germany was just insane! LOL

@Skybird
We have different perceptions on this very wide subject.
I would suggest that we agree to disagree.

In the end, it is your country.
You and your fellow citizens are free to run it as you (plural) see fit.
However, you realy should not be shocked by critisizm from your northern neighbors.

[Paul Riley]

Originally Posted by Skybird

3 years is the maximum penalty. It can be less - and most often it is a suspedned penalty=no penlaty anyway. This is no speech regulation law. This is banning Nazi speech that is rated as "Volksverhetzung". Politicians try to manipulate and inflöuence the emdia over here the same way liek they do in the US. However, if you think you must compare the current poltical system with that of the Third Reich and german governments with Hitler, than obviosuly yopur knowledge of German history is seriously flawed, or you knowledge of current politics is serioulsy flawed, or most likely both is seriously flawed.

The world'S biggest white supremacist and Nazi network that organises and financially funds Nazi activity internationally, since long time is no longer in Germany or Europe, but the US. A racist organisation like the KKK would jhardly escape legal ban in Germany, while in the US it is tolerated in the name of free speech. at the same time, europe is blind on one eye for racist speech by Islamic hate preachers and tolerate them in the name of free speech, and radicals use free speech for wanting to ban free speech if it is critical of religion and islam - which then they would call racist.

Before telling a new post-war Germany - that has learned at least some of the lessons of history - about free speech, clean up your own house and realise how your total freedom of speech idea is fostering extremism, racism and limitation of free speech in other places outside the US, and sometimes even inside the US.

As long as somebody lives not alone on a planet, he lives in a community to greater or lesser degree and varying levels of interaction, and thus his freedoms necessarily touches upon the freedoms of others, and theirs effect him in return. There cannot be "inlimited" freedom in such a setting that is different from the law of the strongest, an idea I strongly reject. It is critical to find a balance where a possible maximum of freedoms for both sides can be acchieved (and protected), a balance that is set so that the limitations for both is as minimal as possible, and a consense is reached on defining the legitimate inetrests of the community itself - an individual should not have a right to act in a way that maximises his own profit at the cost of chnaces and life quality of coming generations, for example. That is both a fragile and difficult setting to find at times, and much economic lobbying aims at just preventing right this and maximise profit making in the preent while destroying future chnaces for the next egneration. The abuse of "tolerance!" to limit free speech for the purpose to ban critical thinking of religion, is an illustration of how difficult it is and what hidden implications wait to trap the unaware. I am aware of where you come from, and in parts have symoathy. But your dogmatic ultra-maximum stand simply puts it to extremes I am not willing to support.

Nevertheless, simply demanding utopi maximums for one thing, and ignoring the deficits that cause for others, is not helpful. we have had hitler and Nazi tyranny ove rhere, and it costed us and your people as well and much of the world dearly. It is fully understamdable that the kind of thinling that led to this madness does not enjoy the same levels of tolerance and legal protection like other thoughts and opiunions do. More, I would say it is our duty to learn the lessons from 6 million Jews gassed and 56 million people killed in WWII, and making the thinking that led to these catastrophes a taboo. we must not tolerate any genocidal concept and we must not act politely on denial of historic mass murder. and certainly we must not tolerate people wanting to revive these disatrous historic events by reviving nazism again. I run a zero tolerance policy not only against religious nutheads, scientology and islam, but also against Nazism.

And our society anyway has both the right and - with regard to the next generation - even the duty to protect itself from what could or wants to destroy it. Not only Volksverhetzung and Nazi propaganda is banned in Germany, but also material, speech and deeds that aim at destzroying and overhwelming the constitutional order.

You have that in America, too. you call it "in the interest of national security".

[Torvald Von Mansee]

That's weird..I don't remember driving in Germany, getting arrested, etc!!!!!