Chicago to Supreme court .. "we cant hear you"

Molon Labe · 07-04-10, 09:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

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Originally Posted by Mr. Yenko

The 2nd amendment is a direct check on the power of the government.

A free man with a rifle is a man that does not have to submit to anyone. He can choose to submit, for any of the reasons argued above, such as community stability, etc. But in the end, he holds his freedom in his own two hands. An armed citizen cannot be forced to do something against his will, such as submit to unreasonable searches, comply with laws that violate his basic rights, etc. A reasonable man will submit to all sorts of infringements on his freedom, getting along to go along, so to speak. But at the core of it, an armed man is a free man. He has the choice.

what you in principle say is that the citizen should have the right to resist for example law enforcement, if he thinks that is in his interest, and that he should have the weapons to fight off police, SWAT, military. By that you want the option to turn every act of law enforcement into a potential civbil war in the place.
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What you in principle defend here, MrYenko, is simply: anarchy, and refusing the violence monopole of the state. but the state and it's legitimised sub-entities must and should have a monopole for police and military and jurisdiction and legislation and executive. else you do not olive in a state or a nation, but a jungle.

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

Sailor Steve · 07-04-10, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Molon Labe

Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

I've heard that somewhere before...