Sweden abandons compulsory draft

Originally Posted by Vendor

but Sweden will never sell this sub or tech to Iran for example,the relations i very close....to U.S

Agreed.

[goldorak]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Silently and without the international public noticing it - eve n many Swedes seem to not know or not care - , Sweden has, after 109 years, abandoned it's compulsory draft system. Public debate does not seem to have taken place. They plan for a combat force size of 12-16 thousand only.

Comparing to Germany, where the debate is slow moving like dry grease and painful since 20 years, it somewhat stuns me a bit to see how smooth and silent it went in Sweden.

Opinions? And Swedes around?

Just one question, have the Swedes abolished compulsory draft or just suspended it indefinitely ?. I know that France during the early 90 discussed "abolishing" the draft because of the changing geopoltical landscape in europe, and in the end they decided only to suspend indefinitely the draft.
So technically you can still be recalled or drafted if a state of war is declared, but for all pratical purposes it has been "abolished".

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Just one question, have the Swedes abolished compulsory draft or just suspended it indefinitely ?. I know that France during the early 90 discussed "abolishing" the draft because of the changing geopoltical landscape in europe, and in the end they decided only to suspend indefinitely the draft.
So technically you can still be recalled or drafted if a state of war is declared, but for all pratical purposes it has been "abolished".

But the devlop,take place in different option,however the implant are great for new gear!

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by goldorak

Just one question, have the Swedes abolished compulsory draft or just suspended it indefinitely ?.

Can't say for sure.the German news I read yesterday and the TV news as well said that they have abolished it. If they are aware of the difference you make, I do not know.

The impression so far is they indeed abolished it. the last group of some ceremonial guard regiment were conscripts were serving, was officially farewelled one or two days ago.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Vendor

True if the Goverment spend more money in defence,but you can`t hardly find more high tech in Jas39Gripen multi-roll or in sub for example,btw Leo-2 is now re-build.

Pardon - what do you mean?

[Gerald]

at they planed to upgrade some stuff...in tanks AA

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Vendor

but Sweden will never sell this sub or tech to Iran for example,the relations i very close....to U.S

Even if they did want to sell a sub I'm quite sure that would be against the current UN weapons embargo on Iran anyways.

They could only export blueprints and basic non-combat gear to Iran.

Doesn't matter anyways since the Russian Malachite design bureau seems to be sending all the data the Iranians need for building subs bigger than those North Korean knockoffs anyways.

[Jimbuna]

It looks like Sweden are going for a downsized professional and extremely well equipped armed force, similar to what we have in Britain (the professional bit anyway LOL), but on a much smaller scale.

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Even if they did want to sell a sub I'm quite sure that would be against the current UN weapons embargo on Iran anyways.

They could only export blueprints and basic non-combat gear to Iran.

Doesn't matter anyways since the Russian Malachite design bureau seems to be sending all the data the Iranians need for building subs bigger than those North Korean knockoffs anyways.

to sell any vessels or other high tech,in this area,in any kind,way should we go aganst the UN Bargo? There are others....like U.S and many other in EU,.......yes!

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by Vendor

to sell any vessels or other high tech,in this area,in any kind,way should we go aganst the UN Bargo? There are others....like U.S and many other in EU,.......yes!

Depends on what is being sold.

The embargo forbids sale of "Offensive" military equipment- anything that can be used to attack another country. Defensive military equipment is allowed. For example Sweden exported a series of General Purpose Tenders (AGs) to Iran for the Iranian Navy. Iran calls these the Hendijan class or MIG-S-4700-SC class when marketed for export.


^Hendijan class AG

Also the infamous Boghammers were built in Sweden and exported as a non-combat craft (Customs Boats). Upon arrival in Iran they were armed and transferred to the IRGCN.


^Boghammer

Previous shipments of military goods allowed under the embargo or from countries ignoring the embargo (North Korea) were intercepted and their cargo's inspected by the US Navy. For example a shipment included a Taedong class submersible torpedo boat was stopped by the USN and inspected in great detail.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

Previous shipments of military goods allowed under the embargo or from countries ignoring the embargo (North Korea) were intercepted and their cargo's inspected by the US Navy. For example a shipment included a Taedong class submersible torpedo boat was stopped by the USN and inspected in great detail.

What happened?....did they let it through?

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

What happened?....did they let it through?

But Im not sure,TLAM has more news,whats really happen....

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

What happened?....did they let it through?

The Taedong-B was allowed though as it was unarmed at the time, much like the other North Korean built SILCs. The Iranians armed it with 2 324mm torpedoes and placed it in service with the IRGCN as the Kajimi.



This is the only released photo of it. (It's the boat in the foreground not the 'P227')

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by TLAM Strike

The Taedong-B was allowed though as it was unarmed at the time, much like the other North Korean built SILCs. The Iranians armed it with 2 324mm torpedoes and placed it in service with the IRGCN as the Kajimi.



This is the only released photo of it. (It's the boat in the foreground not the 'P227')

Rgr that....cheers

It's interesting how the Swedes usually play all peace-lovin' goody good except when it comes to the arms trade. I guess those Swedish peace-weapons need to be sold too.