What there is to like about SH5

[Rockin Robbins]

I also love that Ubi won't be pushing out another subsim to make this one obsolete in 12 months for no particular reason. Unlike SH4, this sim will have time to be modded to its potential as SH3 was. Abandonment is good! It's just a shame that they didn't abandon us after SH4 and leave us with a good last sim.

SH4 will reemerge as the flagship sim after all the good modders give up on SH5 anyway. Either way, both will receive the attention they deserve until another company steps up to the bat. It's going to be a fine time!

[sergei]

I admire your positivity RR

[Sailor Steve]

And here I was thinking this was the "What is there to like?" thread. There are already plenty of "What is there to hate?" threads.

[Nisgeis]

You can't keep a good topic spammer down.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

I don't like what Ubi has done with SH5 and I forcefully express my opinions on that. Please don't extend that forcefulness to a feeling that I hate anybody or wish anybody to fail in improving SH5. Nothing could be further from the truth.

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

SH4 will reemerge as the flagship sim after all the good modders give up on SH5 anyway.

[CaptainMattJ.]

well, as Manual targeting is fun for most, it wasnt really the captains job to put in the numbers. usually the XO and other crew members got the shot ready, and the captain may have given some info, but didnt go to the TDC and do it himself. He was too busy looking through the periscope and ordering people around. besides i could never do it fast enough anyway

On a relevant note, i will say that games today are pretty much all about graphics. devis released it as fast as possible, so theres an insane number of bugs and just plain problems with the game. But really its not very fair to people who dont have the latest and greatest graphics cards or computers. i have at MOST 15 FPS but usually 7 FPS in SH5, at lowest possible settings. SH4 in my opinion was like the best stock game ive ever played, and although i tried mods, i didnt need them too much. in SH4 the only problem i really had was that the sinking mechanics and the fact they could drive themselves like a BMW going from 0 to 80 in 5 seconds. but there were mods for that. unfortunately, they couldnt go together, which made me .

Anyway, SH5 was like an unfinished house. the realtors kept giving you wonderful and beautiful previews, but when you go to live inside, there isnt a wall separating you from your backyard. The house is still liveable-ish. but they were in such a rush that they forgot what people wanted. I like SH5 Mostly, but theres just an entire wall missing. Ubisoft also forgot to consider the people who didnt have high-end computers, and set the absolute lowest res to 1024x740 or w/e that res was. those people include me .

[IanC]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

well, as Manual targeting is fun for most, it wasnt really the captains job to put in the numbers. usually the XO and other crew members got the shot ready, and the captain may have given some info, but didnt go to the TDC and do it himself. He was too busy looking through the periscope and ordering people around. besides i could never do it fast enough anyway

Never say never! I first learned manual targeting with SH1, then SH3 really made it satisfying. You'll see that calculating and getting a good solution followed by a hit and a sinking, is what the game is all about. All it takes is some practice, you can do it.
Also don't forget, though the captain usually didn't figure out the solution, he did know how to if need be, so don't use that as an excuse eh!

On a relevant note, i will say that games today are pretty much all about graphics. devis released it as fast as possible, so theres an insane number of bugs and just plain problems with the game. But really its not very fair to people who dont have the latest and greatest graphics cards or computers. i have at MOST 15 FPS but usually 7 FPS in SH5, at lowest possible settings. SH4 in my opinion was like the best stock game ive ever played, and although i tried mods, i didnt need them too much. in SH4 the only problem i really had was that the sinking mechanics and the fact they could drive themselves like a BMW going from 0 to 80 in 5 seconds. but there were mods for that. unfortunately, they couldnt go together, which made me .

Anyway, SH5 was like an unfinished house. the realtors kept giving you wonderful and beautiful previews, but when you go to live inside, there isnt a wall separating you from your backyard. The house is still liveable-ish. but they were in such a rush that they forgot what people wanted. I like SH5 Mostly, but theres just an entire wall missing. Ubisoft also forgot to consider the people who didnt have high-end computers, and set the absolute lowest res to 1024x740 or w/e that res was. those people include me .

Unfortunately you're right. It's also why this "What there is to like about SH5" thread, only 3 pages long.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by IanC

Unfortunately you're right. It's also why this "What there is to like about SH5" thread, only 3 pages long.

People are tired of posting and having a small minority attack them over their enjoyment of the game. It's quite something to continually post about a game's flaws and to try to convince people that they aren't actually enjoying a game that they are actually enjoying. A small group of people constantly try to tell another group of people exactly why and how they should not be enjoying a game that they are enjoying. Why? The only end result I can see is that they don't want people to enjoy the game. In a way, it's an extremely mean thing to do. Just because they don't like the game, doesn't mean either that anyone else can, or even that they should in anyway try and diminish the enjoyment anyone else gets from the game - Why? What purpose does it serve? They're just trying to make other people not enjoy something just because they didn't. Why?

The recent poll asking if people would buy the game if DRM were removed shows that 67% would, so only 33% would not buy the game due to other than DRM and therefore game issues (bugs). You'd have to agree that that's unanimous that people only see the DRM as the reason to not buy, nothing else.

So, if it's unanimous that the only reason to not buy is DRM, there can't be much of a problem with anything else, can there?

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

People are tired of posting and having a small minority attack them over their enjoyment of the game. It's quite something to continually post about a game's flaws and to try to convince people that they aren't actually enjoying a game that they are actually enjoying. A small group of people constantly try to tell another group of people exactly why and how they should not be enjoying a game that they are enjoying. Why? The only end result I can see is that they don't want people to enjoy the game. In a way, it's an extremely mean thing to do. Just because they don't like the game, doesn't mean either that anyone else can, or even that they should in anyway try and diminish the enjoyment anyone else gets from the game - Why? What purpose does it serve? They're just trying to make other people not enjoy something just because they didn't. Why?

The recent poll asking if people would buy the game if DRM were removed shows that 67% would, so only 33% would not buy the game due to other than DRM and therefore game issues (bugs). You'd have to agree that that's unanimous that people only see the DRM as the reason to not buy, nothing else.

So, if it's unanimous that the only reason to not buy is DRM, there can't be much of a problem with anything else, can there?

indeed sir. also, its funny to see so many people still complaining about things that have been fixed by either the patches, or the modders for some time now. there is no shortage of things i hate about sh3 + 4 still that i could rage about on those forums, but like you said why would anyone do that? at least if i did, i'd have the expierience of actually playing them and knowing what i was talking about, but its a negative fruitless endeavour. if you prefer other sub sims, happy hunting. please wish us the same.

[CaptainMattJ.]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

People are tired of posting and having a small minority attack them over their enjoyment of the game. It's quite something to continually post about a game's flaws and to try to convince people that they aren't actually enjoying a game that they are actually enjoying. A small group of people constantly try to tell another group of people exactly why and how they should not be enjoying a game that they are enjoying. Why? The only end result I can see is that they don't want people to enjoy the game. In a way, it's an extremely mean thing to do. Just because they don't like the game, doesn't mean either that anyone else can, or even that they should in anyway try and diminish the enjoyment anyone else gets from the game - Why? What purpose does it serve? They're just trying to make other people not enjoy something just because they didn't. Why?

The recent poll asking if people would buy the game if DRM were removed shows that 67% would, so only 33% would not buy the game due to other than DRM and therefore game issues (bugs). You'd have to agree that that's unanimous that people only see the DRM as the reason to not buy, nothing else.

So, if it's unanimous that the only reason to not buy is DRM, there can't be much of a problem with anything else, can there?

although it ay be in the nature of discouraging people to buy and enjoy the game, its really just meant to tell people what theyre getting into. and some of that 33% may have money issues, so they might want to buy it, too. i bought mine just a week ago, and i like it, but like i said theres a hole wall of potential missing cause the devis, like most corporations and politicians, are GREEDY. this world is INSANELY full of greedy people. Ubisoft just wants another money maker, if they wanted to produce a worthy enough game to fill the fifth spot they would've fixed the problems and listened to the gamers FOR ONCE.

You notice that game quality is starting decrease in many game sequels. not just SH but many other games. cause if they see a money making game, they work full speed to churn out another sequel, cept they did this one WAY too fast.

but, it will all work out if they fix this problem in their patches. if they LISTEN to the gamers they WILL get more money, so why they arent is a mystery. just listen to what MOST gamers want and youll attract more people.

anyway, SH5 is a good game, but theres notable problems. id suggest people buy the game, but thats all up to them at the end of the day. at the end of the day its your choice, if you feel these problems arent that big a problem to detract from it THAT much then go and buy it. if they are too much to handle, then wait for patches and supermods and stuff.

were just giving them heads up. so they dont go buying it blindfolded, like me. i still wouldve bought it though even if i did know.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

although it ay be in the nature of discouraging people to buy and enjoy the game, its really just meant to tell people what theyre getting into. and some of that 33% may have money issues, so they might want to buy it, too. i bought mine just a week ago, and i like it, but like i said theres a hole wall of potential missing cause the devis, like most corporations and politicians, are GREEDY. this world is INSANELY full of greedy people. Ubisoft just wants another money maker, if they wanted to produce a worthy enough game to fill the fifth spot they would've fixed the problems and listened to the gamers FOR ONCE.

You notice that game quality is starting decrease in many game sequels. not just SH but many other games. cause if they see a money making game, they work full speed to churn out another sequel, cept they did this one WAY too fast.

but, it will all work out if they fix this problem in their patches. if they LISTEN to the gamers they WILL get more money, so why they arent is a mystery. just listen to what MOST gamers want and youll attract more people.

anyway, SH5 is a good game, but theres notable problems. id suggest people buy the game, but thats all up to them at the end of the day. at the end of the day its your choice, if you feel these problems arent that big a problem to detract from it THAT much then go and buy it. if they are too much to handle, then wait for patches and supermods and stuff.

were just giving them heads up. so they dont go buying it blindfolded, like me. i still wouldve bought it though even if i did know.

do you really believe ubisoft thought the silent hunter series would be a huge money draw? even if sh5 was the greatest sub sim ever, it wouldn't come close to thier top sellers. its not a series that appeals to everyone and despite sh5's flaws, i'd rather have it than not. people can say the devs should have fixed it and the modders shouldn't have to. thats true, but some modders have a passion for this and will fix it regardless. it is what it is, and it will only get better. just like the rest of them.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

A small group of people constantly try to tell another group of people exactly why and how they should not be enjoying a game that they are enjoying. Why? The only end result I can see is that they don't want people to enjoy the game. In a way, it's an extremely mean thing to do.

Yikes, paranoid a bit?
Nisgeis... nobody is trying to stop another from enjoying the game. Nobody is trying to be 'mean' or evil to another. If there are so many negative posts about SH5 it's because its the worst of the series! It is obviously unfinished, the AI... you're not going to make me list all the things wrong with this game are you? Just the fact that it is modders who must fix it... but I digress.
Please take a step back, and look at the situation. Stop pointing the blame finger on the posters and maybe start looking toward the game itself.
Some people spent 60$ out of good faith, others even bought a new rig, before finding out about the DRM and bugs. I can only imagine their frustration. Hence the "I'll never buy from Ubisoft again" posts. My frustration only comes from being a subsim fan who is seeing the Silent Hunter series go down the toilet.

Now, I know your style, you're going to keep quoting me ad infinitum. So this is all I have to say to you about that.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by IanC

Yikes, paranoid a bit?

No, not at all.

Originally Posted by IanC

Nisgeis... nobody is trying to stop another from enjoying the game.

Yes, they are, which is very sad of them.

Originally Posted by IanC

Nobody is trying to be 'mean' or evil to another. If there are so many negative posts about SH5 it's because its the worst of the series!

No, it's because it's the latest in the series.

Originally Posted by IanC

It is obviously unfinished, the AI... you're not going to make me list all the things wrong with this game are you? Just the fact that it is modders who must fix this game... but I digress.

As with every other version of the series.

Originally Posted by IanC

Please take a step back, and look at the situation. Stop pointing the blame finger on the posters and maybe start looking toward the game itself.

No, no need. If you enjoy a game, then you enjoy it. There's no need to analyse why you enjoy it, or indeed to to say why you shouldn't enjoy it.

Originally Posted by IanC

Some people spent 60$ out of good faith, others even bought a new rig, before finding out about the DRM and bugs. I can only imagine their frustration. Hence the "I'll never buy from Ubisoft again" posts. My frustration only comes from being a subsim fan who is seeing the Silent Hunter series go down the toilet.

Well, I saw those same 'I'll never buy another Ubisoft game again' posts when SH3 was released, so I'm afraid those mean nothing to me, other than an indication of drama.

Originally Posted by IanC

Now, I know your style, you're going to keep quoting me ad infinitum. So this is all I have to say to you about that.

No, you don't know my style. What you do know is that to attack what I say you have to intimate that I am in some way using 'forum tricks' (whatever they are) to say that my point is invalid. The last time I said that I didn't understand what you said, you also accused me of 'forum tricks', and predicted that I would respond saying that I didn't understand what you had said. This time it appears that your prediction is different. I mean OK, I am going to quote your response, so I can, you know, discuss it, but 'ad infinitum', no, because that would mean that I'd have to quote it to infinity, which would be stupid and also impossible.

If I may respond in your style, by predicting what you will do next, then you will respond by posting something in any forum, which will be stupid and pointless. Ha! Get out of that with your forum tricks, which you like to employ.

I've said it before in other threads if you want to discuss a topic then I'm all for that, but so far your 'style' is to post drivel, then say you aren't discussing it any more, without giving any chance at a rebuttal. I think you are trying to make it look like you are taking the moral high ground, by not arguing, but it's only making you look like you can't discuss anything. That's three times you've done that so far.

[SteelViking]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

People are tired of posting and having a small minority attack them over their enjoyment of the game. It's quite something to continually post about a game's flaws and to try to convince people that they aren't actually enjoying a game that they are actually enjoying. A small group of people constantly try to tell another group of people exactly why and how they should not be enjoying a game that they are enjoying. Why? The only end result I can see is that they don't want people to enjoy the game. In a way, it's an extremely mean thing to do. Just because they don't like the game, doesn't mean either that anyone else can, or even that they should in anyway try and diminish the enjoyment anyone else gets from the game - Why? What purpose does it serve? They're just trying to make other people not enjoy something just because they didn't. Why?

The recent poll asking if people would buy the game if DRM were removed shows that 67% would, so only 33% would not buy the game due to other than DRM and therefore game issues (bugs). You'd have to agree that that's unanimous that people only see the DRM as the reason to not buy, nothing else.

So, if it's unanimous that the only reason to not buy is DRM, there can't be much of a problem with anything else, can there?

I must say, I think your assessment of the situation here is right on the money.