Mexico to have a 'voice' in US Immigration law - Page 2

Ducimus · 07-02-10, 03:58 PM

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Is that why you just posted 3 pictures of something that isn't a border?

No, i think it is you who do not understand the meaning of a border, and maintaining that border, a sovereign border, against unwanted and illegal incursions. Your not from the US anyway, your opinion means squat to me on this subject.

Keep on...

ivank · 07-02-10, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

No, i think it is you who do not understand the meaning of a border, and maintaining that border, a sovereign border, against unwanted and illegal incursions. Your not from the US anyway, your opinion means squat to me on this subject.

Keep on...

07-02-10, 06:04 PM

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No, i think it is you who do not understand the meaning of a border, and maintaining that border, a sovereign border, against unwanted and illegal incursions. Your not from the US anyway, your opinion means squat to me on this subject.

Yet it was you who posted pictures of demilitarized zone which contains a military demarcation line and said it was a border, so your opinion on borders means squat no matter where you come from as apparently you don't even know what a border is

Ducimus · 07-02-10, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Yet it was you who posted pictures of demilitarized zone which contains a military demarcation line and said it was a border, so your opinion on borders means squat no matter where you come from as apparently you don't even know what a border is

What i was implying in two different posts flew about 60,000 feet over your head at a speed of mach3. Keep on baiting with literal ignorance if you want, but you've already become boring. Your Troll Fu is weak.

07-02-10, 07:56 PM

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What i was implying in two different posts flew about 60,000 feet over your head at a speed of mach3.

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Is that why you just posted 3 pictures of something that isn't a border?

And to make it even funnier in your ignorance not only did you post thing that isn't a border but is a thing that is part of an agreement with the people on the other side of the fence so its a double fail.

Onkel Neal · 07-02-10, 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

What i was implying in two different posts flew about 60,000 feet over your head at a speed of mach3. Keep on baiting with literal ignorance if you want, but you've already become boring. Your Troll Fu is weak.

Very weak.

Anyway, Mexico needs to stay out of our business. Mexicans have a whole country to themselves, and it's a big mess. We don't need 10 million new citizens from Mexico.

gimpy117 · 07-02-10, 08:17 PM

Let put ourselves in their shoes. If it was the reverse (and by the grace of god it's not) Our government would be obligated to make sure our citizens are being protected abroad.

Onkel Neal · 07-02-10, 08:17 PM

Not if our citizens were entering a country illegally. Illegal.

Sailor Steve · 07-02-10, 08:25 PM

It's okay Neal. A lot of folks don't remember the Iran hostage crisis. Iranians started protesting against the US...here in the US. The government offered to give them all a free ride home, and Liberals compared it to the Japanese-American interment in WW2. It's not like we want to shoot all the illegals. Well, most of us don't anyway.

gimpy117 · 07-02-10, 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Not if our citizens were entering a country illegally. Illegal.

so? were still obligated to protect our citizens. We still have embassies. By that rationale, if i committed a crime in Canada our government would just lock me out of our embassy and say "go at it boys" to the Canadian police. No country truly leaves it's citizens out in the cold when they are abroad, and what mexico is doing is no exception. they will continue to support their citizens like we would in any way until they are charged with a crime. Then i'm sure they will cooperate with out justice system.

Sailor Steve · 07-02-10, 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by gimpy117

so? were still obligated to protect our citizens. We still have embassies. By that rationale, if i committed a crime in Canada our government would just lock me out of our embassy and say "go at it boys" to the Canadian police. No country truly leaves it's citizens out in the cold when they are abroad, and what mexico is doing is no exception. they will continue to support their citizens like we would in any way until they are charged with a crime. Then i'm sure they will cooperate with out justice system.

And that is a well-reasoned answer.

Captain Vlad · 07-02-10, 08:54 PM

Are you guys yelling '**** Mexico' over a legal brief serious or are you just having fun with a troll? Because you know I could easily post some pedantry explaining the purposes of a legal brief (which someone already mentioned...), relate the fact that the US would certainly make our opinion known if the position were reversed and that we'd have every right too, etc. etc.

And you know I'd be right, because you know what I mean already, or at least some of you appear to.

But if you're just toying with Gumby and his somewhat lame attempts to be provocative, I won't bother.

Ducimus · 07-02-10, 09:02 PM

Want to know how bad illegal immigration is? Aside from the 50 some odd Mexicans standing outside of EVERY Home depot in California?

When half the crap solicitors leave on your car window or front door is in freaking Spanish. Not that i care for what they're peddling anyway, but i think it seriously says something half the business or calling cards you encounter aren't even in English anymore.

I'm left wondering if people that are living in states that don't share a border with Mexico truly understand how out of control illegal immigration is. I've been to other states that don't share said border, and comparitively, you only see 10% of the BS you do here. So i imagine things may seem hunky dory when it's not.

Captain Vlad · 07-03-10, 12:14 AM

If it isn't as evident in states not on the Mexican border then...it's not as out of control as some folks like to say it is.

But even if it was, I got no problem with our neighboring country letting us know what their opinion on the matter is in an official fashion. Again, we certainly would let them know. It doesn't mean we have to base our decision on what they have to say.

A brief is just Mexico's opinion on the matter, and as they are directly involved in the immigration issue, their opinion should be considered, even if it's not granted primary (or even tertiary...) importance.

07-03-10, 03:13 AM

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Anyway, Mexico needs to stay out of our business. Mexicans have a whole country to themselves, and it's a big mess.

Anything involving Mexican citizens or the US/Mexican border is Mexicos business, no two ways about it.

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Want to know how bad illegal immigration is?

What has that got to do with the price of cheese?
You still can't really do anything about the illegal immigrants without the involvement of your neighbouring country as a border is involved.
When there isn't a border between the two states it gets more complicated, like with Haitian illegal immigrants to the US as an example, it still requires the involvement of both states.

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If it was the reverse (and by the grace of god it's not) Our government would be obligated to make sure our citizens are being protected abroad.

Exactly, if an American was illegaly in Canada the legal process would involve the Canadian and US governments.

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A lot of folks don't remember the Iran hostage crisis. Iranians started protesting against the US...here in the US. The government offered to give them all a free ride home

Interesting, thats the first time I got stuck in America.
So in relation to this issue how would the government have given a free ride home without first coming to a legal agreement with the mad mullahs over repatriation?

So really it does make you wonder about the nature of the topic when it starts as....

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Mexico to have a 'voice' in US Immigration law

...yet you wouldn't be able to find any example where Mexico has not had a voice in US immigration laws where they relate to Mexican citizens or the Mexican border.

07-02-10, 08:17 PM	#22
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	Let put ourselves in their shoes. If it was the reverse (and by the grace of god it's not) Our government would be obligated to make sure our citizens are being protected abroad. __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

07-02-10, 08:17 PM	#23
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,385 Downloads: 541 Uploads: 224	Not if our citizens were entering a country illegally. Illegal. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

07-02-10, 08:25 PM	#24
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	It's okay Neal. A lot of folks don't remember the Iran hostage crisis. Iranians started protesting against the US...here in the US. The government offered to give them all a free ride home, and Liberals compared it to the Japanese-American interment in WW2. It's not like we want to shoot all the illegals. Well, most of us don't anyway. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

07-02-10, 08:54 PM	#27
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	Are you guys yelling '**** Mexico' over a legal brief serious or are you just having fun with a troll? Because you know I could easily post some pedantry explaining the purposes of a legal brief (which someone already mentioned...), relate the fact that the US would certainly make our opinion known if the position were reversed and that we'd have every right too, etc. etc. And you know I'd be right, because you know what I mean already, or at least some of you appear to. But if you're just toying with Gumby and his somewhat lame attempts to be provocative, I won't bother. __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

07-03-10, 12:14 AM	#29
Captain Vlad Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pollard, Oklahoma Posts: 679 Downloads: 6 Uploads: 0	If it isn't as evident in states not on the Mexican border then...it's not as out of control as some folks like to say it is. But even if it was, I got no problem with our neighboring country letting us know what their opinion on the matter is in an official fashion. Again, we certainly would let them know. It doesn't mean we have to base our decision on what they have to say. A brief is just Mexico's opinion on the matter, and as they are directly involved in the immigration issue, their opinion should be considered, even if it's not granted primary (or even tertiary...) importance. __________________ "Stop sounding battlestations just to hear the alarm."

07-02-10, 09:02 PM	#28
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	Want to know how bad illegal immigration is? Aside from the 50 some odd Mexicans standing outside of EVERY Home depot in California? When half the crap solicitors leave on your car window or front door is in freaking Spanish. Not that i care for what they're peddling anyway, but i think it seriously says something half the business or calling cards you encounter aren't even in English anymore. I'm left wondering if people that are living in states that don't share a border with Mexico truly understand how out of control illegal immigration is. I've been to other states that don't share said border, and comparitively, you only see 10% of the BS you do here. So i imagine things may seem hunky dory when it's not.