Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America - Page 6

06-30-10, 01:16 PM

I think globally there are bigger problems even in relation to freedom of speech or act then having hand guns. In Finland they force majority of men to the military where they all shoot with this weapon so it's almost like the opposite situation, the society forcing people to shoot with full auto weapons/different machineguns/RPG's/cannons etc. After that at least I wasn't overly concerned about the society denying guns.

GoldenRivet · 06-30-10, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

I think globally there are bigger problems even in relation to freedom of speech or act then having hand guns.

So you agree with me then?

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

our society is facing a lot of more pressing issues i think than anything relating to guns. and those more pressing issues should be dealt with.

onelifecrisis · 06-30-10, 02:21 PM

I see a few people commented that they like to own/hold/fire their own guns. I don't see how that is relevant. Some people like to rape people - is that reason enough to make it legal for them to do so? Maybe I would "like" to shoot my own nukes at asteroids or big empty deserts or the south pole - so should I be able to buy nukes in Walmart? All I'm saying is that the case should be argued on more practical grounds. Argue for self-defense or pest control or whatever; "because I want one" doesn't really cut it.

06-30-10, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So you agree with me then?

Well you probably think that the government should just forget about guns and that this equals "guns not being important". You know, guns everywhere, cops being all confused about who the bad guys are.

Jimbuna · 06-30-10, 03:01 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

So you agree with me then?

Have you been drinking John or are you simply feeding scraps to a troll?

GoldenRivet · 06-30-10, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jimbuna

Have you been drinking John or are you simply feeding scraps to a troll?

He is surely starving?

wasnt there a lengthy stay in the brig involved?

CaptainHaplo · 06-30-10, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I see a few people commented that they like to own/hold/fire their own guns. I don't see how that is relevant. Some people like to rape people - is that reason enough to make it legal for them to do so? Maybe I would "like" to shoot my own nukes at asteroids or big empty deserts or the south pole - so should I be able to buy nukes in Walmart? All I'm saying is that the case should be argued on more practical grounds. Argue for self-defense or pest control or whatever; "because I want one" doesn't really cut it.

I have to agree that the "because I want one" arguement doesn't cut it. I want a few million dollars, so maybe bank robbery should be legalized? I thought not. The right to bear arms is specifically protected for the right of self defence - against an overeaching government, as well as personal defence of life and property (though the property part has over time weakened).

Sailor Steve · 06-30-10, 05:18 PM

Actually it's the "rape" argument that doesn't really cut it. Some people like to hurt other people. That doesn't make it right or legal. But if someone wants to own a gun just because they like to go to the range and shoot, that "doesn't cut it"? Who are you to tell me what hobbies I can enjoy? Owning and shooting a gun in and of itself doesn't hurt anyone or deny any of their basic rights. Misuse of a weapon is already as illegal as misuse of superior body strength to hurt someone.

In this particular example the one has nothing to do with the other.

tater · 06-30-10, 05:42 PM

I think if they want to take guns, they should do it legally and repeal the 2d Amendment. Until they do that, they should stop messing with gun rights since it is explicitly protected. "The People" means just that. The 2d is the final check in the checks and balances.

GoldenRivet · 06-30-10, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by tater

I think if they want to take guns, they should do it legally and repeal the 2d Amendment. Until they do that, they should stop messing with gun rights since it is explicitly protected. "The People" means just that. The 2d is the final check in the checks and balances.

If they repeal the second amendment you will probably have a civil war in America, even if they do it through legal channels.

too many people support it.

FIREWALL · 06-30-10, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

If they repeal the second amendment you will probably have a civil war in America, even if they do it through legal channels.

too many people support it.

If such a thing as a repeal were even tried a less drastic solution such as recalls and impeachment would be a likely result.

TLAM Strike · 06-30-10, 07:42 PM

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yes... those guys are a tad out there

that is a fact.

the US Government has all the hardware it needs to control the people...

Yea cuz we are doing a great job using that hardware to control Afghanistan and Iraq.

Maybe it could force martial law on a state or two but but the US has some massive urban areas. Manhattan, Dallas-Fort Worth, LA. Think about it, the NYPD has the manpower and budget equal to that of some nation's armies- and still crime is a problem in NYC.

On the other side we have some truly massive rural areas- some with difficult terrain. Just think if some "Freedom Fighters" demoed the tunnel though Donnor Pass in Cali. You could nearly cut off half of California from the rest of the nation. Any "Government Occupation Force" would need to fly in everything. Think about the Rocky Mountains- that's eastern Afghanistan x20.

Also I can't help but think of one of the early Rainbow Six games where some crazy militia storms a Minuteman silo and threatens to launch on Washington.

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I am a firm believer in strict gun control

1. Modified Weaver Stance
2. Good sight picture
3. Breath control
4. Smooth trigger action

I too am a firm believer in strict gun control... I believe I should control the World with a really big gun.

MH · 06-30-10, 07:52 PM

gimpy117 · 06-30-10, 08:14 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

now i dont have a daughter... but i can guarantee you this; she would not only know where the pistol spends its dormant hours, but she would be well versed in its use by the age of 10

any why would your 10 year old daughter be alone in a city? screw the rapist part...if you need to arm your kids because your afraid they'll be off in random places getting into trouble, that's not a dangerous world...that's just bad parenting!

This whole what if some mad crazy psyco comes in and tries to harm me thing is a load of crap. Having good parenting skills, using locks, living in a safe neighborhood, and not showing off expensive goods to the street can go a long way...besides you're more likely to get shot with your own gun anyways.

Zachstar · 06-30-10, 08:33 PM

Other than a posters here sick description and in my opinion fantasy of saving the day with a gun. The image is of course bullcrap as said before.

You cant have a bunch of people just going to their friends house armed with a Glock. If it became well known that they were carrying guns attacks against them would skyrocket. Why? Because one of the main ways criminals acquire guns is robbing people with them.

I am for the 2nd amendment and I do believe in safe home defense with firearms but the nutjobs want guns everywhere with as little control as possible.

BTW that image with the sign that points to an anti-gun home is reckless endangerment and likely the law has already stepped in. Announcing a home is potentially ripe for attack is unlawful in any state. Oh and may they go to hell for their bullcrap.

06-30-10, 05:18 PM	#83
Sailor Steve Eternal Patrol Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: High in the mountains of Utah Posts: 50,369 Downloads: 745 Uploads: 249	Actually it's the "rape" argument that doesn't really cut it. Some people like to hurt other people. That doesn't make it right or legal. But if someone wants to own a gun just because they like to go to the range and shoot, that "doesn't cut it"? Who are you to tell me what hobbies I can enjoy? Owning and shooting a gun in and of itself doesn't hurt anyone or deny any of their basic rights. Misuse of a weapon is already as illegal as misuse of superior body strength to hurt someone. In this particular example the one has nothing to do with the other. __________________ “Never do anything you can't take back.” —Rocky Russo

06-30-10, 08:33 PM	#90
Zachstar Sea Lord Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Shreveport, Louisiana Posts: 1,956 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Other than a posters here sick description and in my opinion fantasy of saving the day with a gun. The image is of course bullcrap as said before. You cant have a bunch of people just going to their friends house armed with a Glock. If it became well known that they were carrying guns attacks against them would skyrocket. Why? Because one of the main ways criminals acquire guns is robbing people with them. I am for the 2nd amendment and I do believe in safe home defense with firearms but the nutjobs want guns everywhere with as little control as possible. BTW that image with the sign that points to an anti-gun home is reckless endangerment and likely the law has already stepped in. Announcing a home is potentially ripe for attack is unlawful in any state. Oh and may they go to hell for their bullcrap. __________________

06-30-10, 01:16 PM	#76
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I think globally there are bigger problems even in relation to freedom of speech or act then having hand guns. In Finland they force majority of men to the military where they all shoot with this weapon so it's almost like the opposite situation, the society forcing people to shoot with full auto weapons/different machineguns/RPG's/cannons etc. After that at least I wasn't overly concerned about the society denying guns.

06-30-10, 02:21 PM	#78
onelifecrisis Maverick Modder Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: England Posts: 3,895 Downloads: 65 Uploads: 3	I see a few people commented that they like to own/hold/fire their own guns. I don't see how that is relevant. Some people like to rape people - is that reason enough to make it legal for them to do so? Maybe I would "like" to shoot my own nukes at asteroids or big empty deserts or the south pole - so should I be able to buy nukes in Walmart? All I'm saying is that the case should be argued on more practical grounds. Argue for self-defense or pest control or whatever; "because I want one" doesn't really cut it.

06-30-10, 05:42 PM	#84
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I think if they want to take guns, they should do it legally and repeal the 2d Amendment. Until they do that, they should stop messing with gun rights since it is explicitly protected. "The People" means just that. The 2d is the final check in the checks and balances.

06-30-10, 07:52 PM	#88
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0