Gun Violence and the outlawing of firearms in America

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Oh and GR I'm not sure I would have made this experiment public in as much you put the public in reckless endangerment by not having direct supervision of the un attended firearms....

totally agree...I shoot often and the first rule is gun safety, 100% of the time. and leaving a loaded gun unattended is something that should never be done.

[cheese123]

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

[Aramike]

To waffle again, id love to own an M16-A1 or an A2, it would be nice to hold one in my hands again and squeeze off some rounds, and to waffle again, it's not a tool id like to see in the hands of some gang banger in Pomona , south central LA, or whatever.

So yeah, here i sit on the fence.

You're not waffliing ... you're ignoring your instinct.

Do you really think that a law banning a murderous gangbanger from owning a gun is going to stop him?

I doubt you do.

It's just like telling the burglar that invading people's homes is illegal. Hmmm...

[FIREWALL]

Are some of you that stoopid to think GR really left two loaded weapons on his back porch.

I think he was giving an example. I know he's not that stoopid.

When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family

I never thought of that, good point. If someone ever steals my car with my kids inside I can shoot at the car with my kids inside it.
I wonder if you think?

[FIREWALL]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

I never thought of that, good point. If someone ever steals my car with my kids inside I can shoot at the car with my kids inside it.



I wonder if you think?

Don't expect to much Tribesman I often wonder too sometimes.

[GoldenRivet]

First, why don't we try looking at this for the slightly humorous... Fictional situation it is and see the point.

Besides, even if I had left those somewhat expensive firearms out in the elements locked and loaded... At the time, my nearest neighber was about a mile away.

For the duration of my ownership of such things, they have only been in two places, either on the shooting range or locked in a gun safe where they belong.

The point of the exercise- illustrate that guns are a tool just like a car. When owned by a responsible law abiding citizen, they are used responsibly within the confines of law.

Secondly, the supreme court decision is not what this thread is entirely about, but since it was mentioned... It is NOT the big gun owner victory it's painted to be.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by FIREWALL

Are some of you that stoopid to think GR really left two loaded weapons on his back porch.

I think he was giving an example. I know he's not that stoopid.

I was trying to be humorous.

[Zachstar]

Originally Posted by cheese123

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

Oh save the drama! The courts have TIME and TIME again ruled against the Anti-Gun crowd. Yet ANY mention of ANY ruling or law has gun nuts coming out of the woodwork.

Rabid Anti-Gun was an 80s thing. Move on. Every nut has guns these days.

[raymond6751]

Originally Posted by cheese123

Here is the run down for all the anti-gun people out there. Sure you can ban guns. As a matter of fact I hope you never even touch one. When some one breaks into your home or steals your car with you kids inside. I want you to think after that and wonder. If you had been properly trained and armed you might have been able to save your family. The next time you see them is in the morgue. Criminals love anti-guns laws. That means they have the guns and you don't. They don't care if they break the law. They are criminals. Thats what they do.

Up in the North country we have mandatory extra years added to the sentence when a crime is committed using a firearm. We also have life for killing a police officer, any way you do it.

Maybe coming down extra hard on the guys and gals who do shoot someone might help. You just have to be very very sure that you shoot the right person and don't miss. A bullet goes a long way.

Stats don't show how many people are killed or maimed by stray shots intended for someone else. That happens a lot, even in Canada.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by raymond6751

Stats don't show how many people are killed or maimed by stray shots intended for someone else. That happens a lot, even in Canada.

Very true, but that also holds true for shots fired by police. With several dozen rounds fired for every bad guy police shoot, they have to go somewhere (statistically speaking, of course).

On the other hand, US stats never show how many attempted home robberies are foiled by gun-wielding homeowners. I am personally familiar with three separate cases in which that happened. The police were called, and did file reports, but nobody ever includes those. How many each year? I have no clue.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Very true, but that also holds true for shots fired by police. With several dozen rounds fired for every bad guy police shoot, they have to go somewhere (statistically speaking, of course).

On the other hand, US stats never show how many attempted home robberies are foiled by gun-wielding homeowners. I am personally familiar with three separate cases in which that happened. The police were called, and did file reports, but nobody ever includes those. How many each year? I have no clue.

Do the US stats show how many times weapons are stolen and used for criminal means? Or even to shoot their legal owners?

[GoldenRivet]

its impossible to know how many lives have been saved legally, or taken illegally with guns.

In my family we learned about gun safety early on, and by the time i was 7 years old i had a firearm that belonged to me. It was used for hunting.

but i'll just add this for all you fathers out there...



now i dont have a daughter... but i can guarantee you this; she would not only know where the pistol spends its dormant hours, but she would be well versed in its use by the age of 10

I wonder what looney site that picture comes from?

[gimpy117]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

now i dont have a daughter... but i can guarantee you this; she would not only know where the pistol spends its dormant hours, but she would be well versed in its use by the age of 10

any why would your 10 year old daughter be alone in a city? screw the rapist part...if you need to arm your kids because your afraid they'll be off in random places getting into trouble, that's not a dangerous world...that's just bad parenting!

This whole what if some mad crazy psyco comes in and tries to harm me thing is a load of crap. Having good parenting skills, using locks, living in a safe neighborhood, and not showing off expensive goods to the street can go a long way...besides you're more likely to get shot with your own gun anyways.