Interesting Thesis

[GoldenRivet]

Its just a shame that he will go down in history as the first black president of the United States.

I expected the black community to put up a much more potent, honorable, contender with more conservative values.

where i live here in the south, you cant drive by a church without hundreds of black folks spilling out the front doors before and after sunday service dressed in their absolute finest.

it fascinates me that African American culture seems to embrace conservative christian ideals, but when it comes to politics, their vote - almost unanimously - does not reflect this idea. The same could be said however, of virtually any race in America.

perhaps i gave too much credit?

In regards to the article, the conclusion is that there are too many legal and constitutional issues with delaying an election (something the president does not have the power to do).

The article further points out that there are some legal things he can do to that effect... however, these issues would spell out certain political suicide, which i think the dems have already done.

what more could they do???

The president is already holding border security hostage, committing treason by saying "If i secure the border, republicans wont have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform"

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

it fascinates me that African American culture seems to embrace conservative christian ideals, but when it comes to politics, their vote - almost unanimously - does not reflect this idea. The same could be said however, of virtually any race in America.

That's because of three things, the first being the allure of "free" stuff. It is remarkable how many people think that money grows on trees, or that there is an as-yet untapped stash of it somewhere (usually in successful business leaders) that we could fix everything with if only we could get our hands on it. Of course, nothing could be further from the truth, and we both think as much, but try telling it to the factory worker whose plant is being shut down because of foreign competition. Just a little more money in the form of subsidies and a few tariffs would keep his plant open. He thinks it no great imposition on you to get just a few pennies of your tax money, or to make you pay a fraction of a cent more for a tariff, but there are over a hundred million workers in this country and when they all ask for a "few dollars more" they quickly overwhelm the economy's ability to generate a suitable tax base. It is a problem of perspective and incentive.

The second problem is that politicians know that, but their job is not guaranteed by performance. You know the rest. Again, it is a problem of incentive.

And finally, the problem comes right back to free stuff. Something given has no value, and even though the Federal government doles out billions in the name of assisting minorities, it rarely does any good. Indian reservations and subsidies, housing projects, rent controls, affirmative action, about ten-thousand initiatives aimed at minority education, public schools themselves, healthcare, social security, etc, etc ad nauseum. You name it, it's expensive and it doesn't work for most people. There are successes, of course; there damn well better be when that kind of money is spent, but I doubt that a single person in this community would point to any of the things I named above as a success.

Yet again, incentive is the problem. Cuban blacks in New York have very nice communities, but they aren't eligible for aid until they become citizens. Clearly, the money thrown at the problem is not the solution.

Yes, many blacks go to church, and for the most part, like any people, they are good people. They have values and morals and principles like any good people do, but without incentive they will have a hard time amounting to anything. This is particularly true of those who really are at a disadvantage to begin with due to disability or inability or a poor social clime or whatever. Same goes for everyone, just stop at the first welfare-financed white-trash hovel you can find and see for yourself, y'know?

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Same goes for everyone, just stop at the first welfare-financed white-trash hovel you can find and see for yourself, y'know?

Hey, i tried the whole double wide thing for a while there it was all i could afford.

but it wasnt for me... always room for improvement IMHO.

of course despite what a couple of people here might tell you, i wasnt picking on blacks of course... you know that

[CCIP]

I like the "stop panicking, stop the hyperboles, let's focus on the real work ahead" tone towards the end of the article. I agree, for all the anger and horror stories being thrown around, the fact the system will deal with Obama - he won't deal with the system. I still think it's too early to pass a final judgment on him, but indeed the facts are currently on his side.

Meanwhile instead of sloganizing, I really do wish that Americans from both sides of the spectrum focus on getting their country on a constitutionally-sound track.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

Hey, i tried the whole double wide thing for a while there it was all i could afford.

but it wasnt for me... always room for improvement IMHO.

Not that I'd be talking down to people who live in a trailer. I live in a rental home, also because I can't afford anything else. But are you still in a trailer that you pay for with state benefits or are you pilot who owns his own flight school? I think we already see eye to eye on this.

of course despite what a couple of people here might tell you, i wasnt picking on blacks of course... you know that

Well...yeah. Sorry if I implied otherwise, somehow. I just thought you had a question and I tried to answer it. I guess I thought that since you were fascinated by the idea it might mean that you don't understand it, so I gave you my perspective. Maybe I read into it too much.

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Originally Posted by CCIP

Meanwhile instead of sloganizing, I really do wish that Americans from both sides of the spectrum focus on getting their country on a constitutionally-sound track.

I'm sure we'll get around to that just as soon as everyone agrees on what the Constitution actually means, which is on our list of "Things We're Likely to Do" just below "Cure Death and Taxes"

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

edit- I'm sure we'll get around to that just as soon as everyone agrees on what the Constitution actually means, which is on our list of "Things We're Likely to Do" just below "Cure Death and Taxes"

There has never been a time when everyone agreed on what the Constitution actually means, nor do I ever believe there will be a time when everyone will agree.

I would hazard a guess that even the founding fathers did not all agree on what it meant and they wrote the damn thing!

[AngusJS]

I got to the third paragraph, where I came across this gem:

This will enable the Obama dictatorship to take off its humanist mask and put its true agenda into play...

And you say it leans slightly to the right? How about it dives straight down into bat**** crazy?

Seriously, these people need to get a grip.

Set Congress ablaze, and people across the country would cheer, slap hands, and drive around beeping their horns at each other.

Nice to see the author doesn't care about losing a national monument, and potentially hundreds of innocent people, as well as putting hundreds of firefighters at risk.

And the author forgot the main reason why our "dictator" won't be calling off the election: he's not so unhinged as the author to even consider such an idea worthy of reflection.

Seriously, if this is slightly right-leaning, where is the base? Off in the woods on maneuvers with their militias?

Originally Posted by GoldenRivet

The president is already holding border security hostage, committing treason by saying "If i secure the border, republicans wont have any reason to support comprehensive immigration reform"

When has he said that, and how is it treason?

Oh, and looking further into that blog, I saw that they reposted a long article about Obama and Rahm Emmanuel being members of a gay club in Chicago.

Words fail me.

[GoldenRivet]

I have a lot of typing to do...

standby

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Platapus

I would hazard a guess that even the founding fathers did not all agree on what it meant and they wrote the damn thing!

No need to guess. There is plenty of evidence. They were playing it by ear, and several of the most famous would be called flaming liberals today.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

No need to guess. There is plenty of evidence. They were playing it by ear, and several of the most famous would be called flaming liberals today.

Fact




and a remarkable job they did!