report: Turkey attacks Kurdish bases: 120 die

Bilge_Rat · 06-21-10, 09:52 AM

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Turkey's military said Friday it killed as many as 120 Kurdish rebels in an air raid on rebel hideouts in northern Iraq last month and a daylong incursion by elite commandos into Iraq this week.

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Hundreds of elite commandos crossed into Iraq for a daylong operation to hunt down a group of rebels who were escaping after an attack near the border town of Uludere. Kir said the commandos, who returned to their bases on the same day, killed five rebels but later intelligence reports suggested the rebel casualties, also in a co-ordinated air strike, were about 20.

according to other news report, it was more of a slaughter than a military operation, since there were apparently no casualties on the turkish side.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...sh-rebels.html

anyone have any news on this?

strange that it is getting so little coverage in the news media.

SteamWake · 06-21-10, 10:04 AM

Thats some scary stuff right there. I'll see what I can dig up.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100621/...u_turkey_kurds

http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-96716079.html

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...new-offensive/

Strangley enough CNN had nothing but Vandersloot or whatever his name is was all over.

06-21-10, 10:06 AM

Well Turkey is a Nato country, Nato countries have a tendency to do a lot of indiscriminate killing. Just look at the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan + Israel's killing of Palestinians.

MH · 06-21-10, 10:08 AM

Nice try....

Weiss Pinguin · 06-21-10, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well Turkey is a Nato country, Nato countries have a tendency to do a lot of indiscriminate killing. Just look at the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan + Israel's killing of Palestinians.

Already breaking out the fishing nets?

Bilge_Rat · 06-21-10, 10:35 AM

Al Jazeera reports 130 killed, although the news is buried in a paragraph at the end of an article denouncing the "Kurd rebels":

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On Friday, the Turkish military announced that at least 130 members of the PKK had been killed inside Turkey and in air raids on its hideouts in Iraq since violence flared in March.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...424526682.html

of course, that is not surprising, Al Jazeera is well known for minimising reports about human rights abuse by any muslim country.

Skybird · 06-21-10, 10:36 AM

Turkey's treacherous role in the Gaza incident superceded the reporting on the Turkish offensive in the Kurdish area. The operation got some mentioning in the german news, but no major coverage. 10 Turks wounded, 12 Kurds killed, they wrote, and quotes of much nationalistic propaganda and martial threats spilled out by Erdoghan.

In these days that is no headline anymore. The Kurds do not raise any interest anywhere, and to Erdoghans split-tongued poisenous tirades most people already got used by now, somehow.

turkey wants to become a regional dominant power, and sees itself taking claim of the Osman heritage. their new martial posture against the Kurds and their ongoing denial of the Armenian genocide are just two of the more obvious symptoms for that. turkey is clearly turning away from the West, Washington and Europe. If they were a EU member, they nevertheless would do so - but abusing their influence via the EU to do evben more dmage to the West. currently they are busy with reducing and finally neutralising the last bastion of kemalistic influence - the constitutional court, and the military. chances are that these last bastion will fall to the relgious, too. And then it should become obvious for even the most stupid idiot in Europe or Washington that we escaped a worst case scanerio when blocking Turkey from the EU.

We must make them leave NATO as well. they are no longer that reliable ally that - admitted! - they have been for several decades during the cold war. The new Turkey formed by the AKP is no ally, but an opponent at least. and I can imagine future mid-term scenarios when western forces will clash with Turkish forces in the ME - indirectly as well as directly and head on. As I see it, Turkey's role becomes more and more a parallel to that of Pakistan.

I wish their military would start a coup and destroy the AKP, establishing a regime by the generals again. No ideal solution for a Western nation - but Turkey is no Wetsern nation, and in the oprient, dictatorships work quite well. At least they keep the religious in check - something that democracies are not strong enough to acchieve there.

06-21-10, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Al Jazeera reports 130 killed, although the news is buried in a paragraph at the end of an article denouncing the "Kurd rebels":

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/eu...424526682.html

of course, that is not surprising, Al Jazeera is well known for minimising reports about human rights abuse by any muslim country.

Oh I didn't know Israel is in favour of the Kurds and the PKK. New information for me.

Bilge_Rat · 06-21-10, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh I didn't know Israel is in favour of the Kurds and the PKK. New information for me.

this has nothing to do with Israel. I have no interest in your crap. This is fair warning, from now on, I will report every incidence where you try to bait me. If you have nothing intelligent to add, stay out of the way.

AngusJS · 06-21-10, 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Well Turkey is a Nato country, Nato countries have a tendency to do a lot of indiscriminate killing. Just look at the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan + Israel's killing of Palestinians.

Israel is not a NATO member.

06-21-10, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by AngusJS

Israel is not a NATO member.

Oh yea, if you're a Nato member you have to pay the US. Israel gets money from the US.

Weiss Pinguin · 06-21-10, 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh yea, if you're a Nato member you have to pay the US. Israel gets money from the US.

And that makes Israel a member of NATO how?...

AngusJS · 06-21-10, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

Oh yea, if you're a Nato member you have to pay the US. Israel gets money from the US.

The cost of NATO is shared among all member states, the US included. Member states don't pay the US.

http://fpc.state.gov/documents/organization/142718.pdf

page 8

06-21-10, 12:41 PM

Wouldn't make any sense for a country like Finland to pay for a Nato-conflict half way around the world, let alone send troops there. Oh wait, that's already happening with Partnership for Peace.

Why are Nato countries forced to buy weapons from the US?

Bilge_Rat · 06-21-10, 12:54 PM

Next to nothing on this, most news media just quote the Turkish Army report that the 120-130 killed were "rebels", even though other articles and photos show that children were killed.

If this had been done by the U.S. in Afghanistan, you can be sure the Arab news media would be all over it.

I read "No true Glory" about the battle of Fallujah recently. During the first battle in early 04, the only reporters in town were from Al Jazeera and other arab news media who were friendly with the insurgents. They were reporting that U.S. Marines were deliberately killing civilians, which later turned out to be a total fabrication. The western news organizations who had no reporters on the ground simply reported what the arab news was reporting. The ensuing public outcry caused the Bush administration to stop the offensive.

When the offensive was restarted in nov. 04, the insurgents had recived hundred of foreign fighters as reinforcements and had heavily fortified the city. 95 U.S. servicemen died during the second offensive.

06-21-10, 10:04 AM	#2
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Thats some scary stuff right there. I'll see what I can dig up. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100621/...u_turkey_kurds http://www1.voanews.com/english/news...-96716079.html http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/06...new-offensive/ Strangley enough CNN had nothing but Vandersloot or whatever his name is was all over. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

06-21-10, 10:36 AM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,629 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Turkey's treacherous role in the Gaza incident superceded the reporting on the Turkish offensive in the Kurdish area. The operation got some mentioning in the german news, but no major coverage. 10 Turks wounded, 12 Kurds killed, they wrote, and quotes of much nationalistic propaganda and martial threats spilled out by Erdoghan. In these days that is no headline anymore. The Kurds do not raise any interest anywhere, and to Erdoghans split-tongued poisenous tirades most people already got used by now, somehow. turkey wants to become a regional dominant power, and sees itself taking claim of the Osman heritage. their new martial posture against the Kurds and their ongoing denial of the Armenian genocide are just two of the more obvious symptoms for that. turkey is clearly turning away from the West, Washington and Europe. If they were a EU member, they nevertheless would do so - but abusing their influence via the EU to do evben more dmage to the West. currently they are busy with reducing and finally neutralising the last bastion of kemalistic influence - the constitutional court, and the military. chances are that these last bastion will fall to the relgious, too. And then it should become obvious for even the most stupid idiot in Europe or Washington that we escaped a worst case scanerio when blocking Turkey from the EU. We must make them leave NATO as well. they are no longer that reliable ally that - admitted! - they have been for several decades during the cold war. The new Turkey formed by the AKP is no ally, but an opponent at least. and I can imagine future mid-term scenarios when western forces will clash with Turkish forces in the ME - indirectly as well as directly and head on. As I see it, Turkey's role becomes more and more a parallel to that of Pakistan. I wish their military would start a coup and destroy the AKP, establishing a regime by the generals again. No ideal solution for a Western nation - but Turkey is no Wetsern nation, and in the oprient, dictatorships work quite well. At least they keep the religious in check - something that democracies are not strong enough to acchieve there. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-21-10, 12:54 PM	#15
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,856 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Next to nothing on this, most news media just quote the Turkish Army report that the 120-130 killed were "rebels", even though other articles and photos show that children were killed. If this had been done by the U.S. in Afghanistan, you can be sure the Arab news media would be all over it. I read "No true Glory" about the battle of Fallujah recently. During the first battle in early 04, the only reporters in town were from Al Jazeera and other arab news media who were friendly with the insurgents. They were reporting that U.S. Marines were deliberately killing civilians, which later turned out to be a total fabrication. The western news organizations who had no reporters on the ground simply reported what the arab news was reporting. The ensuing public outcry caused the Bush administration to stop the offensive. When the offensive was restarted in nov. 04, the insurgents had recived hundred of foreign fighters as reinforcements and had heavily fortified the city. 95 U.S. servicemen died during the second offensive. __________________

06-21-10, 10:06 AM	#3
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Well Turkey is a Nato country, Nato countries have a tendency to do a lot of indiscriminate killing. Just look at the wars in Iraq & Afghanistan + Israel's killing of Palestinians.

06-21-10, 10:08 AM	#4
MH Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 3,184 Downloads: 248 Uploads: 0	Nice try....

06-21-10, 12:41 PM	#14
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Wouldn't make any sense for a country like Finland to pay for a Nato-conflict half way around the world, let alone send troops there. Oh wait, that's already happening with Partnership for Peace. Why are Nato countries forced to buy weapons from the US?