need some help ID'ing this

CaptainHaplo · 06-20-10, 10:20 AM

Well there are often LOTS of reasons things don't get awarded in a timely manner. Everything from lost paperwork to security reasons.

Doesn't really matter. What does is that your Great Grandfather deserves alot of credit for his sacrifices (medal late or never).

Alot of people never get the recognition they deserve, and yet they deserve it none the less. Glad to see your family member got his!

kranz · 06-20-10, 12:35 PM

I will try to give word for word translation since going into some "fancy" equivalents wouldn;t do much good imo.

the medal(backside/reverse...): For taking part in a defensive war.(swords)Fatherland.(or motherland, simply your country)

the id:
Polska Rzecz.Ludowa=communist name of Poland
Legitymacja:kind of ID
Number....
Warsaw
30.11.1988
Uchwała Rady Państwa=By the resolution of "State Council"-it's like an organ who governed poland in the communist times.
Odznaczony/a= awarded, sth like that
Ob.=citizen, (in comm. times you had to title officials and u were titled by this "citizen" equivalent
Franciszek, son of Jan (proper names)
Medalem...=(awarded)with a medal for taking part in defensive war(same as on the medal)in 1939.
Przewodniczacy Rady Panstwa=simply the guy who was in charge of the State Council.

oh i just realized it won;t help much but...

ok, some thoughts about getting this medal so late: as u may know the soviets invaded us as well as the germans so after 1945 if u were no a member of "red-polish army" you couldn;t job etc. If you were a member of "right-side guerrilla" so called AK you were fcked up. Prisons, trials etc. Normally soldiers fighting during 1939 didn't get medals coz simply they were also fighting against the soviets. There were a few exceptions like the defenders of Westerplatte(on the polish coast, hit by Schlezwig-Holstein)-they were given "State" care after they returned from stalags and oflags etc. The key issue here is where that Franciszek Król, son of Jan fought.

Raptor1 · 06-20-10, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Morts

it was awarded extremely late, and i have no idea why

As far as I know, many Polish medals were only created many years after the war ended; it's certainly possible this award was only instituted somewhen in the '80s.

EDIT: Yup, 1981.

EDIT: Ah, whoops, you mean it was signed in the '80s and delivered now. Should really read the post before responding...

Morts · 06-20-10, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raptor1

EDIT: Ah, whoops, you mean it was signed in the '80s and delivered now. Should really read the post before responding...

not quite, I only just got it now..its been in the familys possession since it was awarded at the listed date i believe

Raptor1 · 06-20-10, 02:07 PM

Ah, alright.

Well, if the question was why the medal was only awarded in 1988 and not after the war or something, I believe that would be the answer.

06-20-10, 02:37 PM

Why would a polish medal be awarded to a dane?

This medal has a VERY interesting story hidden behind it someplace.
It a shame that a statement of some kind was presented with the medal.

Morts · 06-20-10, 03:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Snestorm

Why would a polish medal be awarded to a dane?

it wasnt, my grandmother and her family are from poland

06-20-10, 10:20 AM	#1
CaptainHaplo Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,404 Downloads: 29 Uploads: 0	Well there are often LOTS of reasons things don't get awarded in a timely manner. Everything from lost paperwork to security reasons. Doesn't really matter. What does is that your Great Grandfather deserves alot of credit for his sacrifices (medal late or never). Alot of people never get the recognition they deserve, and yet they deserve it none the less. Glad to see your family member got his! __________________ Good Hunting! Captain Haplo

06-20-10, 12:35 PM	#2
kranz The Old Man Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Poland Posts: 1,430 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	I will try to give word for word translation since going into some "fancy" equivalents wouldn;t do much good imo. the medal(backside/reverse...): For taking part in a defensive war.(swords)Fatherland.(or motherland, simply your country) the id: Polska Rzecz.Ludowa=communist name of Poland Legitymacja:kind of ID Number.... Warsaw 30.11.1988 Uchwała Rady Państwa=By the resolution of "State Council"-it's like an organ who governed poland in the communist times. Odznaczony/a= awarded, sth like that Ob.=citizen, (in comm. times you had to title officials and u were titled by this "citizen" equivalent Franciszek, son of Jan (proper names) Medalem...=(awarded)with a medal for taking part in defensive war(same as on the medal)in 1939. Przewodniczacy Rady Panstwa=simply the guy who was in charge of the State Council. oh i just realized it won;t help much but... ok, some thoughts about getting this medal so late: as u may know the soviets invaded us as well as the germans so after 1945 if u were no a member of "red-polish army" you couldn;t job etc. If you were a member of "right-side guerrilla" so called AK you were fcked up. Prisons, trials etc. Normally soldiers fighting during 1939 didn't get medals coz simply they were also fighting against the soviets. There were a few exceptions like the defenders of Westerplatte(on the polish coast, hit by Schlezwig-Holstein)-they were given "State" care after they returned from stalags and oflags etc. The key issue here is where that Franciszek Król, son of Jan fought. Last edited by kranz; 06-20-10 at 12:46 PM.

06-20-10, 02:07 PM	#5
Raptor1 Navy Seal Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Stavka Posts: 8,211 Downloads: 13 Uploads: 0	Ah, alright. Well, if the question was why the medal was only awarded in 1988 and not after the war or something, I believe that would be the answer. __________________ Current Eastern Front status: Probable Victory

06-20-10, 02:37 PM	#6
Snestorm Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Why would a polish medal be awarded to a dane? This medal has a VERY interesting story hidden behind it someplace. It a shame that a statement of some kind was presented with the medal.