Which silent hunter series was released in baddest state?

[tonschk]

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.

If somebody think a woman is ugly, fatty and disgusting, do not make sense to waste his time going to her hause just to tell her that she is ugly fatty and disgusting ,because is better to go to the hause of a nice and pretty woman ,If somebody is enough idiot and stupid to waste his time going to the hause of the ugly fatty and disgusting woman just to tell her : she is ugly fatty and disgusting obviously is because have a second hidden intentions

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[Nisgeis]

I'd like to know what people think are the top five games in the Silent Hunter series so far, in no particular order.

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

I'd like to know what people think are the top five games in the Silent Hunter series so far, in no particular order.

This is just a guess:

Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3

[Méo]

Originally Posted by John Channing

Could someone... anyone, please tell me what, in the name of God, is the point of this thread?

Seriously, what could possibly come out of this that has not already been re-hashed about a million times over?

JCC

Originally Posted by Takeda Shingen

Really. The horse has been reduced to a pile of bones.

Originally Posted by Dowly

It's one of those "look at me, I don't like this game, I knew it would probably suck but I got it anyways and now I'm angry! WHO's WITH ME!?"

I'm in the same state of mind.

Really, it tells more about them than about the game.

[Nisgeis]

You see, I can't vote in this poll, as I never played Silent Hunter 1, so I am not qualified to answer this most serious of polls. I have also not conducted code reviews of even those games of the series from SH2 - SH5, so I am unable to even comment on the number of bugs in each game. Also, on a purely quantive versus qualitive view, does more bugs equal less quality? I don't think it does - a light bulb simulation that has a light bulb and an on/off switch could have one bug, but that's different to a complicated game, where the more things that are modelled, the more bugs there could be.

Still, the average subsim user knows this and wouldn't be pulled into voting in a poll, for which they were not qualified to judge. I am heartened that in less than six hours, no less than 30 people have performed code reviews on all five of the series, which they owned and have managed to vote. But what does this poll of nothing more than number of bugs tell us? That SH5 is the most advanced of the series? SH2 didn't have a bugged dynamic campiagn after all... but is that because of good luck, good judgement, good testing, or omission? Is less bugs the new yardstick for advancement?

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

You see, I can't vote in this poll, as I never played Silent Hunter 1, so I am not qualified to answer this most serious of polls. I have also not conducted code reviews of even those games of the series from SH2 - SH5, so I am unable to even comment on the number of bugs in each game. Also, on a purely quantive versus qualitive view, does more bugs equal less quality? I don't think it does - a light bulb simulation that has a light bulb and an on/off switch could have one bug, but that's different to a complicated game, where the more things that are modelled, the more bugs there could be.

Still, the average subsim user knows this and wouldn't be pulled into voting in a poll, for which they were not qualified to judge. I am heartened that in less than six hours, no less than 30 people have performed code reviews on all five of the series, which they owned and have managed to vote. But what does this poll of nothing more than number of bugs tell us? That SH5 is the most advanced of the series? SH2 didn't have a bugged dynamic campiagn after all... but is that because of good luck, good judgement, good testing, or omission? Is less bugs the new yardstick for advancement?

As usual, very good points Nisgeis.

But apparently, after more than 100 days after the release, some folks still need to vent...

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

But what does this poll of nothing more than number of bugs tell us?

As JC and Tak both said, it tells us nothing that hasn't been said many times before. So I'll tell you something that those of us who have played them all for many many hours (well, except for SH5, but I think my answer is different than you might expect in that category).

The best game out of the box was SH1, no question. It had a dynamic campaign equal to AOD's and practically no bugs at all. You can talk about how dated it is, but that is true only if graphics are what you play the game for (and I fall somewhat into that category, preferring SH4 even though it is somewhat less complete, especially out of the box).

SH2 didn't have a bugged dynamic campiagn after all... but is that because of good luck, good judgement, good testing, or omission? Is less bugs the new yardstick for advancement?

SH2 didn't have a dynamic campaign at all. As I said earlier, that in itself is the biggest bug of all. All the luck, testing and judgement could never erase that flaw. If you died in the third mission, you started over at the beginning or you started over there. Same campaign, same kaleun, same mission. And that was adjusted somewhat by some redesigned campaigns, but the basic flaw was still there.

And SH3 was almost the same, except they got so much flak when they announced it that they ended up delaying the game six months to correct that. It ended up having problems, but most of them have been corrected. Not all, but most.

The biggest complaint about SH4 was that it kept SH3's bugs and added a few more of its own.

And now SH5 seems to have a lot of those same bugs. The naysayers are right on that account - those things should have been fixed by now.

That SH5 is the most advanced of the series?

Graphically, yes. Walking around the boat? Yes. But with half the campaign and only one boat to do it in. Is that an advancement? Is it really a bug? As you say, I'm not qualified to judge it because I haven't played it. But the flaws have been exposed by others, so I'm in a position to at least judge whether I'll buy it when they finally let me.

And I will. The bugs and flaws didn't keep my from liking the others, and I'm sure I'll like this one just as much. I won't condemn it out of hand like some do, but I also won't praise it blindly like some others.

So, out of the box:

1. SH1
2. SH3
3. SH4
4. SH2
5. Can't possibly rate SH5 of course, but someday I will.

Modded:

1. SH3
2. SH4 (but limited by lack of mods)
3. SH1
4. SH2
5. Again can't rate SH5, but it has a long way to go and I fully expect it to end up at #1.

@ tonschk: Your 'woman' analogy strikes me as odd. It seems to me that you like being seen with the pretty woman and talking about how beautiful she is, but you avoid the fact that she is very limited in both intelligence and conversation. It looks to me like you're overwhelmed by beauty and nothing else matters. Maybe you don't have anything else to talk about either?

[nodlew]

BADDEST not real word Tarzan. Even Gorilla know word you look for is worst. Bad, worse, worst. Might seem like a confusing way to run a language, but English is an amalgam of many languages which has evolved over centuries whose grammatical rules have only (relatively) recently been codified. Somewhere in that process of evolution badder and baddest missed the boat.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm sure he knows that. Sometimes us gots to have our slangs.

[JScones]

Originally Posted by tonschk

If somebody think a woman is ugly, fatty and disgusting, do not make sense to waste his time going to her hause just to tell her that she is ugly fatty and disgusting ,because is better to go to the hause of a nice and pretty woman ,If somebody is enough idiot and stupid to waste his time going to the hause of the ugly fatty and disgusting woman just to tell her : she is ugly fatty and disgusting obviously is because have a second hidden intentions

OoooKkkkaayyy. There certainly seems to be a theme forming with your posts.

NEWSFLASH: All that glitters is not gold.

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This is just a guess:

Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3

I disagree. You need to swap #3 and #4 around.

Actually, I think the answer would more likely be:

SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX
SH3/GWX

Originally Posted by krashkart

Worst out of the box I've played was Airport Tycoon 3... dang! Wrong website, sorry.

Dang, you had to remind me of that...erm...classic.

Anyway, I didn't vote as I haven't played SH5. Although I still think I'd choose SH2 as the baddest (wtf word is that?). Scripted missions really killed it for me.

Of course, this is a very unfair thread as all those who love SH5 (and thus can defend it) are too busy playing it to be here posting (or so they keep coming here to post ).

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by JScones

Dang, you had to remind me of that...erm...classic.

I found that it gathers dust quite nicely. Please accept my apologies.

[AOTD_MadMax]

SH5 is the worst case.
It unites the bugs from SH3 and SH4 into a new game with many new bugs.

I stopped modding and playing SH5.

Regards

Maddy

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by AOTD_MadMax

SH5 is the worst case.
It unites the bugs from SH3 and SH4 into a new game with many new bugs.

I stopped modding and playing SH5.

Regards

Maddy

I have a hard time arguing against that, cause i know it's true. Overall bugathon, yup, defiantly SH5.

But at worse state of release? I still say SH4. SH5 wasn't limited to some low screen resolution like SH4 was, and SH5 didn't come with a "boss key" that put you to the desktop at the press of a button like SH4 did either.

[GT182]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

This is just a guess:

Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3
Silent hunter 3

I agree on 3 but 5 is slowly catching up. If the SH3 grid map and campaign could be like SH3's is, 5 would be a handsdown winner in my book. Even more so it the Type II and IX Uboats could be added to 5.

But to be honest, SH3 wasn't too dam good out of the box either. Especially with StarForce in it. And just as much modding was done to it to make it what it is now. At least from what I've seen and read, SH3 was much simpler mod than 5 is.

[DelphiUniverse]

I've played sh5 so long now I've forgot how bad/good sh3 really is. But I do recall that sh2 had some serious bugs, annoying bugs that made the entire game unplayable. It might be that Sh3 had more bugs than Sh2, but Sh2 had more serious bugs, So I would say sh2.

But I am also tempted to say sh5. Never played sh4.