Report: Israel attacks flotilla, 10 die

[TheSatyr]

Simple solution. Give the Island of Crete to the Palestinians. Some scientists believe that Minoan refugees were the original Palestinians.

Crete is a hell of a lot nicer than that desert they are fighting over.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by TheSatyr

Simple solution. Give the Island of Crete to the Palestinians. Some scientists believe that Minoan refugees were the original Palestinians.

Hey...!!! Although German politicians have made the proposal that the Greeks should sell their islands to make some money in their debt crisis, nobody ever said they should give them away for free...!!!

When you know there is a blockade,
and you try to run it knowing you'll get boarded.
If you were totally innocent?
Why would you fight it in any way?
You'd win if you were innocent!
This only shows the true mentality of those on board.
They set out to cause this situation!
Hopeing the media would do as it has done.
The Media is only a Tool now days.
But they do not realize how much of a Tool they are.
Being a blockade?
I'd have sunk every ship in the convoy!
What part did they not understand about blockade?

[AngusJS]

Good job Israel.

And yet again, no matter what the Israeli government does, it's practically applauded for it.

I applaud them for restraint.

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

Good job Israel.

And yet again, no matter what the Israeli government does, it's practically applauded for it.

You did see the video tater posted, right? The one where the people onboard the ships grab the descending IDF soldiers and start beating them with metal rods? If they were innocent they prolly wouldn't have done that, now would they?

And like stated and again, by watching the video comes clear, they (IDF) were armed with non-lethal weapons, only after they are starting to get beat they draw out their secondary weapons (pistols) and start shooting.

Having been in somewhat of the same situation years ago?
There would be a way higer body count had I been there!

I have no sorrow for so called pieceful missions
that are nothing more then missions to use the Media to ends
that we are seeing.

The guilty ones are the Media in all ways!
They want news, and the dumb arses provide it.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by Dowly

You did see the video tater posted, right? The one where the people onboard the ships grab the descending IDF soldiers and start beating them with metal rods? If they were innocent they prolly wouldn't have done that, now would they?

Grab a coast guardsman and start whipping his ass during a safety inspection or some other interdiction.

see how well that ends.

If you do not fall to your knees and do not resist?
Your guilty!

You can cry all you want later.
As is going on now.
10 dead?
You are lucky people!

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by Dowly

You did see the video tater posted, right? The one where the people onboard the ships grab the descending IDF soldiers and start beating them with metal rods? If they were innocent they prolly wouldn't have done that, now would they?

And like stated and again, by watching the video comes clear, they (IDF) were armed with non-lethal weapons, only after they are starting to get beat they draw out their secondary weapons (pistols) and start shooting.

I did. The commandos shouldn't have been on the ship in the first place. That's the point.

Do you have a right to defend your ship which is being boarded illegally? If a US or Finnish ship was boarded, would they not have that right?

As for the legality of the boarding - there is no question - it was legal.

It would be legal if it was legal, but as it wasn't it isn't. Its outside their jurisdiction and absent of the neccesary international agreement.

But I see the problem you have....

His refusal to divert - knowing that the UN Security Council has not deemed the blockade illegal (and thus it IS legal at the moment)

....you are getting the order of things backwards. Since they have not deemed it legal it remains illegal.
In fact a selection of the the words the UN use about the blockade is unacceptable, unjustifiable, counterproductive and errrr....illegal.

"an act of war by which a belligerent prevents access to or departure from a defined part of the enemy’s coasts.

enemy's coast???
what is the legal status of the Palestinian territories

Doubt it? Look at history. US merchants and at least one warship were sunk prior to the US entry into WW2 -

Totally irrelevant, maritime law has been changed massively since 1941.

Legally speaking, the turkish flagged ships were in violation of international maritime law by their notification of intent to bypass a legal blockade.

On the legal issues it appears you havn't the faintest idea what you are talking about.

If you do not fall to your knees and do not resist?
Your guilty!

Wow police, judge and jury all in one..... Or just sensationalist crap.

[TLAM Strike]

Has anyone read the San Remo Manual on International Law of Armed Conflict at Sea? No? I don't blame you its 30 pages of boring, but it is suposta be an important legal paper.

Well here is the good stuff:

SECTION V : NEUTRAL MERCHANT VESSELS AND CIVIL AIRCRAFT

Neutral merchant vessels

67. Merchant vessels flying the flag of neutral States may not be attacked unless they:

(a) are believed on reasonable grounds to be carrying contraband or breaching a blockade, and after prior warning they intentionally and clearly refuse to stop, or intentionally and clearly resist visit, search or capture;
(b) engage in belligerent acts on behalf of the enemy;
(c) act as auxiliaries to the enemy s armed forces;
(d) are incorporated into or assist the enemy s intelligence system;
(e) sail under convoy of enemy warships or military aircraft; or
(f) otherwise make an effective contribution to the enemy s military action, e.g., by carrying military materials, and it is not feasible for the attacking forces to first place passengers and crew in a place of safety. Unless circumstances do not permit, they are to be given a warning, so that they can re-route, off-load, or take other precautions.