BP Sucessfull

[SteamWake]

According to Obama BP is under the fed's direction.

Furthermore its all BP's fault...

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

According to Obama BP is under the fed's direction.

Maybe because it affects not just the company but America too?

Furthermore its all BP's fault...

And they shouldn't be at fault, becaaaause..?

[AVGWarhawk]

[XabbaRus]

Originally Posted by Dowly

Maybe because it affects not just the company but America too?



And they shouldn't be at fault, becaaaause..?

WEll the rig was Transocean's and the BOP Halliburton's then they do bear a lot of the blame to. I think this has turned into an opportunity to get BP out of the US market.

[Bilge_Rat]

the bigger problem is more how this affects offshore drilling in the long run.

There was the assumption, probably naive on all our parts, that yes, big Oil companies like BP were gouging us, but at least they knew what they were doing.

Now it seems pretty clear that they are pulling a high wire act without a net. This type of accident is bound to happen more regularly has Oil exploration goes deeper and deeper to find new Oil reserves.

[Skybird]

Too early to make the final call. In 48 hours they say they can tell for sure. The work continues. Cautious optimism is the parole of the moment. It still can go terribly wrong.

[UnderseaLcpl]

No, really. I do. Even when they're British.

I honestly don't know why or how they put up with the **** government and the press keeps giving them, but I'm glad they do.

In other news, I don't understand why this oil spill is such a big deal. Didn't the Germans sink like, 30 tankers in the Gulf during WW2?
Yeah, they were smaller than modern tankers, but combined they certainly spilled more oil than this rig has. And yet, the Gulf is fine. There's so much marine wildlife in the Gulf that people get their jollies bitching about motorboats running over manatees.

The Mississipi dumps billions of gallons of effluent, soil, and agricultural runoff into the Gulf every year, and yet, the Gulf is fine. It's teeming with life. The biggest problems it has aren't with pollutants, but rather with all the dirt that the Mississipi dumps into the delta. Good ol' Mother Nature personally oversaw that one. I guess she's not an activist.

BP is doing everything they can do to fix this mess and they are doing it in a timely and effective fashion. They're certainly doing more than any activists are. In the meantime there were millions of dollars' worth of crushed BP stock for the taking that could be put to good use by people who supposedly mean well. Did the activists utililize it? Hell no! They're too busy bitching about **** they have no control over and have no understanding of.

Some guy who knew what the hell he was talking about once said "The environment is far too important to be left to environmentalists." He was right. Speaking of which....

Originally Posted by Dowly

Maybe because it affects not just the company but America too?

I like you, Dowly, but c'mon man. Do you really think BP hasn't thought of that? They have an army of PR personnel whose only job is to make sure they don't piss people off. BP is a lot more concerned with their image than you are. For instance....

Originally Posted by Dowly

And they shouldn't be at fault, becaaaause..?

They should be at fault, and they know that. Last time I checked BP has spent almost half a billion dollars of its own money trying to contain the spill. The state has spent another $3 billion doing absolutely nothing, apparently. How much have you spent?

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

How much have you spent?

None, not my business.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Dowly

None, not my business.

Precisely.

[SteamWake]

You know it seems to me like BP has been doing an admirable job given the circumstances.

They have poneyd up to a ton of small clams as well as bigger ones. Payed for and helped to run containment and attempts to quell the gusher.

Now hopefully they have managed to stem the flow.

In the meantime all offshore drilling is to come to an immediate halt, throw a four fold tax increase on 'oil' on top of things.

I forsee $8.00 a gallon gas in the near future.

Meanwhile the adminstration will 'keep a boot on the throat' of BP.

[Zachstar]

The "Tax Increase" is for the next time some bozo decides to not play safe with his rig and ruins fishermen's and tourism owner's lives.

What if next time its not BP but a smaller company that cant pay out the ass like BP has done and will do? They go bankrupt and a few people profit and the gov pays the tab afterwards. That BULL**** The tax will try to keep that from happening.

What this has really done tho is put into the spotlight the "Geologic Oil" theory. I used to believe in peak oil until I saw the speculators at play. If we have 500+ years of oil down there and people knew about it. Oil prices would crash overnight...

[CaptainHaplo]

Zachstar - the only problem with that theory is that the tax gets pushed onto the consumer - meaning we the public end up paying for it. Of course - the government is just "insuring" they can pay for it next time right? And when its needed the money will be sitting there waiting - just like it is from road and gas taxes, social security, etc... oh wait a minute....

This is just another excuse to raise government revenue without a care in the world for what it does to the guy on the street.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

No, really. I do. Even when they're British.

They **** up royally and then finally (hopefully) fix their mistake 37 days later, and for that they should be commended?

I honestly don't know why or how they put up with the **** government and the press keeps giving them, but I'm glad they do.

My heart bleeds.

In other news, I don't understand why this oil spill is such a big deal. Didn't the Germans sink like, 30 tankers in the Gulf during WW2?
Yeah, they were smaller than modern tankers, but combined they certainly spilled more oil than this rig has. And yet, the Gulf is fine. There's so much marine wildlife in the Gulf that people get their jollies bitching about motorboats running over manatees.

Were all those tankers sunk simultaneously in the same location, less than 40 miles from shore? Were all of them even carrying oil at the time? Did their spills mostly remain on the surface, or did they originate on the ocean floor so that they could affect the entire water column?

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by AngusJS

They **** up royally and then finally (hopefully) fix their mistake 37 days later, and for that they should be commended?

Yes. BP has been quite effective and timely in responding to this spill. They did everything they could, and their stock proves it. When was the last time you willingly invested your hard-earned gains in the governmnet?
I feel sorry for you if you did, because you're not likely to make anything off of bonds.

The nice thing is that they don't ask to be commended, unlike some politicians I can think of. They just do business.

My heart bleeds.

Why so cynical? BP is made of people, y'know. People and families who depend upon the production of oil for their livelihoods. Those same people sell you the petroleum products you need at a reasonable price.

Were all those tankers sunk simultaneously in the same location, less than 40 miles from shore? Were all of them even carrying oil at the time? Did their spills mostly remain on the surface, or did they originate on the ocean floor so that they could affect the entire water column?

Many of them were sunk within sight of shore, and they were all sunk within a few months of each other. I don't know whether or not they did more damage than this spill, but what I do know is that the Gulf of Mexico is a huge body of water measuring over 600 quadrillion gallons. It'll be fine, trust me. It doesn't need you to look after it.

The only things that need you to look after the Gulf are political interests who need public approval before they steal your money and give you exactly nothing in trade, aside from a misbegotten warm-fuzzy feeling.

BP and other oil companies care about the Gulf a lot more than you or anyone else does, simply because it is their business. I don't see your eco-crusader ass cleaning up oil residue because you care about the fish or whatever. Where the hell are you, Captain Planet? Are you too busy demanding that other people do things in your stead because someone else told you it was a good idea?

While you're busy sitting on your butt, BP is busy trying to fix their mistake and clean up millions of gallons of seawater, not because anyone forced them to, but because they want to earn your respect and business. I can only imagine how much they must enjoy armchair eco-pundits bashing them for a perfectly understandable mistake.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Speculation does FAR FAR FAR FAR FAR more to raise prices than the puny tax on oil.

Speculation also drives much of the exploration and exploitation that puts gas in your car for a reasonable price, eco-hero. Unlike speculation, which creates more gas, the fuel tax is about a quarter per gallon of sheer economic dead-weight.

Originally Posted by Zachstar

Last year they used us (The left) like suckers to spread the "Peak Oil" theory to get the public scared and let them jack up the prices.

Did they? If that was true, and you knew it, why aren't you making bank? The Left is a bigger bunch of suckers than you realize. I'd tell you some BS and take your money and votes if I didn't have a conscience. You're lucky that corporations even bother to ask your permission before they take your money, because your beloved state sure as hell doesn't.
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Wow, I am a tactless a-hole today. I am very sorry for all the verbal abuse, Angus and ZS, but it's kind of funny, so I'm gonna go ahead and post it, if that's okay with you guys. If you want a retraction, I'll take this post down. If you want to insult me, I can take as well as I can give.

[AngusJS]

Originally Posted by UnderseaLcpl

Yes. BP has been quite effective and timely in responding to this spill. They did everything they could, and their stock proves it. When was the last time you willingly invested your hard-earned gains in the governmnet?
I feel sorry for you if you did, because you're not likely to make anything off of bonds.

What does that have to do with anything? Regardless, their stock price does not prove that they've been effective.

Why should they be commended for doing what they're supposed to do, fixing a problem which they themselves created? That's like commending a drunk driver for paying damages after hitting another car. And now it turns out that the top kill didn't work, and the leak is still flowing.

Many of them were sunk within sight of shore, and they were all sunk within a few months of each other. I don't know whether or not they did more damage than this spill, but what I do know is that the Gulf of Mexico is a huge body of water measuring over 600 quadrillion gallons. It'll be fine, trust me. It doesn't need you to look after it.

Obviously the spill isn't going to destroy the entire Gulf. I never said it would. But the spill will affect the area where it is located. That's why the tankers are irrelevant, as they weren't all sunk in the same place and in the same month, and their spills occurred on the surface.

The only things that need you to look after the Gulf are political interests who need public approval before they steal your money and give you exactly nothing in trade, aside from a misbegotten warm-fuzzy feeling.

BP and other oil companies care about the Gulf a lot more than you or anyone else does, simply because it is their business. Where the hell are you, Captain Planet? Are you too busy demanding that other people do things in your stead because someone else told you it was a good idea?

While you're busy sitting on your butt, BP is busy trying to fix their mistake and clean up millions of gallons of seawater, not because anyone forced them to, but because they want to earn your respect and business. I can only imagine how much they must enjoy armchair eco-pundits bashing them for a perfectly understandable mistake.

It's their business to make a profit for their shareholders. It's those wacky eco-crusaders who raised the importance of the environment in the public eye to where it could affect a potential polluter's profit margin, so that they would start caring about it. And I don't count myself among their number, but hey, nice ad hominem. Of course, it seems the environment wasn't important enough to BP et al to ensure that they wouldn't use defective parts and improper procedures.

And are you seriously suggesting that I'm hypocritical for questioning your love-fest for BP if I don't quit my job, move 1,000 miles, get the relevant training and take part in the clean up? If so...wow.