Which GUI for a beginner in manual targeting?

[dfscott]

Originally Posted by sharkbit

IIRC it should be in the read me or documentation folder of the mod. If not, maybe in the thread about the GUI.

Yep, there's a rar file within the download called "documents for the tools of MaGui 3.rar".

[Dissaray]

You can also get a good feel for how to work the things with the vidio tutorials that OLC produced for his GUI. If I recal the two don't have much diferances between the two and any diferances are noted in the documentation provided with MaGui.

[comet61]

Yes....makman includes many documents for his mods. There are a few video tutorials for the attack wheel. Not too hard to use once you get the hang of it. The only piece of advice I would give if you use Magui (I believe he advises this) is to keep the weapons officer available for target ID. Other than that I have everything else turned off including the scope stable views...

[sabretwo]

I see that MaGUI has the Whiz Wheel on the Attack Scope similar to OLC Gold, but the markings and ranges are different. I can find the tutorials describing plotting techniques and use of the AOB wheel, but I don't see any tutorial that makes sense of the markings on MAGUIs whiz wheel.

Is it possible to obtain solutions using the whiz wheel alone (as was possible in OLC)? If so, can anyone direct me to a tutorial somewhere?

Also, in spite of the documentation in the RAR file, I don't see anything with a simple introduction to all the buttons and keyboard shortcuts for the MaGUI interface. (For example, how do you change zoom in attack periscope mode?...This was eliminated in OLC)

[Tessa]

Originally Posted by sabretwo

I see that MaGUI has the Whiz Wheel on the Attack Scope similar to OLC Gold, but the markings and ranges are different. I can find the tutorials describing plotting techniques and use of the AOB wheel, but I don't see any tutorial that makes sense of the markings on MAGUIs whiz wheel.

Is it possible to obtain solutions using the whiz wheel alone (as was possible in OLC)? If so, can anyone direct me to a tutorial somewhere?

Also, in spite of the documentation in the RAR file, I don't see anything with a simple introduction to all the buttons and keyboard shortcuts for the MaGUI interface. (For example, how do you change zoom in attack periscope mode?...This was eliminated in OLC)

The zoom is changed with the Tab key to go from 6x-15x. There's a video that shows in detail how to plot an attack from first sighting to launching your torpedos that is very well done. I'm still quite the novice with manual targetting despite the great gui and its tools. There are a lot of people out there who are pro's with it, one thing that the vets have taught me is that you can use (not sure if the same is true of the classic OLC) but with MaGui you can use its ring as a shortcut to finding out things like target speed or other variable without having to calculate them once you have a basic plot of the angle(s).

[sabretwo]

Thanks, Tessa. I spent some time reading through the MaGUI threads and found a post by Makman on using MaGUI's AOB Finder ('Whiz Wheel'). It's fundamentally the same as the one in OLC Gold. Makman's post described finding the range and the AOB, but not speed. I am assuming that works the same as in OLC (read opposite the tick mark on the inner ring).

Since there was no mention of using the AOB Finder only at certain zoom levels, I am assuming it is the same at all zooms. (Correct me please if I am wrong!)

A lot of my questions seemed to be woven here and there through the MaGUI threads, but unfortunately I haven't found any consolidated guide. I am organizing my own guide as I find what I need. When I get done, I'll PDF it and send it over to Makman. It might be worth making available for those who are new to the MaGUI interface. (I was lucky enough to at least have used the OLC interface for some time. For someone totally new to this style interface, it would be a devil trying to figure this out.)

It's getting late tonight, but I am going to try my hand with it tomorrow in the SH3 Academy. If it works as well as OLC's (basically seems the same), it should be a snap.

I will also check out the video tutorials. The approach using Makman's plotting techniques seems a bit different than what I was doing with OLC, but it definately looks worth learning. (Time for this Kaleun to go back to school for a while and learn a few new tricks)

[Pisces]

The AOB finder should be for a specific zoom level! This was so in the original OLC version for the maximum zoom level. I suggested to add a scratch-mark at the 15 degree AOB mark (MaGUI3.4 stil has it), to help correct for the lower zoom level. (sin(14.5 degrees)=0.25, equal to 1.5x/6x) But this mark is pretty useless now since that AOB finder is calibrated for 15x zoom. And converting 15x zoom to 6x zoom would require a mark at about 23.6 degree AOB. There actually is a very obscure scratchmark on it. I don't know if it it intentional or not, or even accurately placed, but if you have sharp eyes you can use it with reasonable accuracy.

The steps for 6x conversion:

1. Measure mastheight in the scope at 6x zoom. I will name this "observed mastheight" or OMH for short.

2. Find OMH on the inside scale of the middle wheel. Align it to the faint scratchmark at 23.5 AOB. You should get OMHx2.5 at the X (90 degrees AOB) position at the top.

3. Find target range (on the outside scale of the middle ring)as it is aligned to the mastheight (recognition manual value, on outer ring)

(you can check this for accuracy with the notepad stadimeter)

Follow-up to get AOB in x6 zoom: (previous steps are required, or atleast: actual range must me aligned with mastheight from the recognition manual!!!)

4. Grab the mastheight point (on the basis-scale, on the outer ring) and drag it further to the target length on the same scale.

5. Grab the 23.5 degree AOB location (faint scratchmark) and move it up to the X-mark at the top, at 90 degrees.

6. Measure the "observed halve-shiplength" through the scope. (make sure the scope is locked on target) I'll name this OHSL for short.

7. Now the AOB of the target is opposite the observed half-shiplength (OHSL).

To use the MaGUI 3.4 AOB finder at 1.5x zoom you should set the Observed Mastheight at the bottom of the view under the centerline during step 1. And during step 5 you should spin the middle wheel exactly a halve turn instead of relying on a scratch mark.

The wheels are slightly distorted (already were like that when OLC made them) and Makman seems to have given all his turning dials an excentric center, so the accuracy is not completely top-notch. But it is reasonable.

The speed trick is magnification independant. Set the time in seconds (on outer scale of middle ring) against the target length (Basis scale on outer ring), then read speed at the "S"-mark.