I seriously don't get it......... - Page 7

sergbuto · 09-13-05, 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharkstooth

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I lived in USA and USSR so I can compare a little bit.

no, you really can't.

I am shaken by solid arguments behind the answer.

I wish US leaders would follow this and stop pretend they know what is best for every nation.

Type941 · 09-13-05, 06:44 AM

Serg, that was just another troll. Someday, the Truth will set them free.

The Avon Lady · 09-13-05, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Kapitain

lennin was acctualy russian orthadox (christian)

Yes, baptized in infancy.

I stand slighlty corrected. Lenin's maternal grandfather may have been a Jew.

According to Jewish law, that means even his mother wasn't Jewish.

According to anti-Semites, they couldn't care less, as long as someone has any form of Jeiwsh ancestry.

EDIT: I'll leave the original wording of my last sentence above as is. However, please do not misconstrue it. I am not referring to anything or anyone that has posted above. Sorry if I was misunderstood.

Sharkstooth · 09-13-05, 06:59 AM

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I am shaken by solid arguments behind the answer. I wish US leaders would follow this and stop pretend they know what is best for every nation.

Yes, I can definitely tell you have been shaken.

Type941 · 09-13-05, 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharkstooth

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I am shaken by solid arguments behind the answer. I wish US leaders would follow this and stop pretend they know what is best for every nation.

Yes, I can definitely tell you have been shaken.

Another classic! :P

Kapitan · 09-13-05, 08:14 AM

im hungrey so i aint going to post

sergbuto · 09-13-05, 09:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharkstooth

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I am shaken by solid arguments behind the answer. I wish US leaders would follow this and stop pretend they know what is best for every nation.

Yes, I can definitely tell you have been shaken.

I am glad we understood each other.

XabbaRus · 09-13-05, 10:37 AM

Stalin's Grandmother I believe could have been Jewish and it was hushed up....

But if it was on his fathers side then that wouldn't make Stalin part Jewish as I believe it goes down the mothers side.

Anyway if you look at Russian history going way back you'll find that more times than not the ruler of the country wan't actually Russian.

Kapitan · 09-13-05, 10:50 AM

that is true stalin was georgian and kreschev was from far east soe other from other parts

Damo1977 · 09-13-05, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Type941

so. 4 pages. Do you still 'not get it' or something's more clear for you Damo?

:|\ Ummmm I am lost, can we start over again? :P

Kapitan · 09-13-05, 05:22 PM

dammo before i throw you out of a window id like you to know one thing it wasnt on purpose (go figure)

Type941 · 09-13-05, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Damo1977

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Originally Posted by Type941

so. 4 pages. Do you still 'not get it' or something's more clear for you Damo?

:|\ Ummmm I am lost, can we start over again? :P

And allow Nazi vs Soviet evolve into Russia vs USA? No thanks, that never turns out reasonable nor objective.

gorilliamos · 09-14-05, 03:42 AM

First of all.... Damo's avatar is rediculous..... I think a definite custom job by those higher up as a possible reaction towards drunken postings.. It's hilarious. Sorry damo but it is.

To go back to the original question of why the USSR is not treated the same as Nazi Germany..... I think because Nazi Germany was the instigator of the war... the spark that set things in motion. In every spectical there needs to be a legitimate scapegoat...... and nazi germany fits the bill to a T. Scapegoat may not be the exact term I'm thinking of however... This implies that they were innocent bystanders or something. Maybe it's just a willingness to find blame where people think blame is due.

Speaking from an open empirical mind..... there are at least two or more sides to a story and if you go back far enough nobody's innocent.

This is what I always contemplate before passing judgment.... and after that rationale.... I can never pass judgement.

Ahh.... this is such a deep matter.... it's hard to talk about it without getting emotional.

There have been many emotional responses to this seemingly innocent question. Take a deep breath and count to ten.

Also, nobody knew the history of psychology like Stalin did.

Happy Times · 09-14-05, 03:49 AM

Yeah,Germany instigated the war by attacking Poland WITH USSR!Try to get it by now!

sergbuto · 09-14-05, 04:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Happy Times

Yeah,Germany instigated the war by attacking Poland WITH USSR!Try to get it by now!

So Chekhoslovakia or even Austria are not counted. Or they were not democratic, independent, Europian countries and German invasion can be regarded as colonization?

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Type941 Ace of the Deep Join Date: May 2005 Location: U-52 Posts: 1,270 Downloads: 2 Uploads: 0	Serg, that was just another troll. Someday, the Truth will set them free. __________________ Sink the Bismarck SH3 Movie

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XabbaRus Navy Seal Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,330 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Stalin's Grandmother I believe could have been Jewish and it was hushed up.... But if it was on his fathers side then that wouldn't make Stalin part Jewish as I believe it goes down the mothers side. Anyway if you look at Russian history going way back you'll find that more times than not the ruler of the country wan't actually Russian. __________________

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Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	that is true stalin was georgian and kreschev was from far east soe other from other parts __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-13-05, 05:22 PM	#101
Kapitan Sub Test Pilot Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UK + Canada Posts: 7,131 Downloads: 77 Uploads: 7	dammo before i throw you out of a window id like you to know one thing it wasnt on purpose (go figure) __________________ DONT FORGET if you like a post to nominate it by using the blue diamond Find out about Museum Ships here: https://www.museumships.us/ Flickr for all my pictures: https://www.flickr.com/photos/131313936@N03/ Navy general board articles: https://www.navygeneralboard.com/author/aegis/

09-14-05, 03:42 AM	#103
gorilliamos Sailor man Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 45 Downloads: 54 Uploads: 0	First of all.... Damo's avatar is rediculous..... I think a definite custom job by those higher up as a possible reaction towards drunken postings.. It's hilarious. Sorry damo but it is. To go back to the original question of why the USSR is not treated the same as Nazi Germany..... I think because Nazi Germany was the instigator of the war... the spark that set things in motion. In every spectical there needs to be a legitimate scapegoat...... and nazi germany fits the bill to a T. Scapegoat may not be the exact term I'm thinking of however... This implies that they were innocent bystanders or something. Maybe it's just a willingness to find blame where people think blame is due. Speaking from an open empirical mind..... there are at least two or more sides to a story and if you go back far enough nobody's innocent. This is what I always contemplate before passing judgment.... and after that rationale.... I can never pass judgement. Ahh.... this is such a deep matter.... it's hard to talk about it without getting emotional. There have been many emotional responses to this seemingly innocent question. Take a deep breath and count to ten. Also, nobody knew the history of psychology like Stalin did.

09-14-05, 03:49 AM	#104
Happy Times Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 2,950 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yeah,Germany instigated the war by attacking Poland WITH USSR!Try to get it by now! __________________