What do you feel about SH5 now?

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Frumpkis

I'm not convinced that contacting Ubi by email or snail mail serves any purpose. First, how does one prove "intent to purchase" in an email? I can prove a positive (i.e game purchase) with my registration for SHIII and SH4, but how do I prove a negative... the fact that I'm holding my money back? I could easily just be another Angry Internet Man who doesn't like their current DRM, and is enjoying a bit of Ubi-bashing in my free time. I'm sure their PR departments have been flooded lately with people upset about the choices they've made recently with PC games, not just SH5 alone.

The one tangible message I can send, is not buying the game until it's patched to the point where I think I'd have fun playing it. My personal decision doesn't mean much, but along with everyone else holding back on buying the game, I think it does send a real message.

For goodness sake look at the logic of what you've just posted.

If you don't contact them they will never know - it really is that simple. It takes no more time than posting here for crying out loud.

Holding back your money just convinces them that no-one is interested in the genre anymore and the genre will die. Telling them why you are not buying their game at least proves that you are interested but want things to change before you buy.

You have no right to post here about the problems IMO, if you are too lazy to contact them.

[janh]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Holding back your money just convinces them that no-one is interested in the genre anymore and the genre will die.

If they concluded that without looking at the details and searching for the true reasons then they'd be pretty poor analysts... But it would be hard for them to separate what happened and easy to attribute it to the general economic situation, competition, piracy etc. However, taking this as a sign that the genre is dead would clearly be a short fused conclusion. I guess the future will show whether Ubisoft learns from this fiasko (though believe plenty of you guys already said the same after previous releases, without changing the trend at all...)

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Frumpkis

The one tangible message I can send, is not buying the game until it's patched to the point where I think I'd have fun playing it.

How are Ubisoft to know when the game would be at a point where you, personally, would consider it to be fun to play, or even know that's why you weren't buying. Perhaps they just think you died of old age and that's why you didn't buy the game. Or perhaps you are in a coma, but otherwise would have bought the game if you possibly could, so no problem there then. Or perhaps they don't know you exist at all?

For added emphasis, perhaps you could not buy the game twice. Perhaps not buying it three times would send a much more powerful message. Why stop at not buying it three times, when you could just as easily and with no expenediture, or even effort, not buy the game four times?

Originally Posted by Frumpkis

My personal decision doesn't mean much, but along with everyone else holding back on buying the game, I think it does send a real message.

I find it strange that you won't actually send a real message in an email, but you think that doing nothing at all is actually sending a real message. Why not just send a real message, by actually sending a real message? I know it's much more difficult than not doing anything at all, but you know... it's just an email, it's almost like posting in the forum, except... it might actually do some good by letting the people that have the power know how you feel.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by janh

If they concluded that without looking at the details and searching for the true reasons then they'd be pretty poor analysts... But it would be hard for them to separate what happened and easy to attribute it to the general economic situation, competition, piracy etc. However, taking this as a sign that the genre is dead would clearly be a short fused conclusion.

Erm - this is UBI?

and because they don't have crystal balls?

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by kylania

To paraphrase the Edmund Burke quote from one of the loading screens - "All that is necessary for the forces of Ubisoft to win in the world is for enough good men to do nothing."

I am so sick of people with genuine gripes being too lazy to do the right thing.

UBISOFT
1st Floor, Chertsey Gate East,
London Street,
Chertsey, Surrey, KT16 8AP

Do it now!

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

I am so sick of people with genuine gripes being too lazy to do the right thing.

UBISOFT
1st Floor, Chertsey Gate East,
London Street,
Chertsey, Surrey, KT16 8AP

Do it now!

God, that's like... I'd have to print out a letter and put it in an envelope and stuff. Who's got time for that when I could be spamming more Ubi-abuse-posts on the wrong forum?

Have you got an email address? I looked for like 0 seconds, which is like almost as long as google spent looking, but a bit less and I couldn't find one. so I gave up yeah.

Email would be easier.

On the other hand, you can't email a physical lemon to Ubi, so why not post a lemon to Ubi? A lemon for a lemon - sounds fair?

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

God, that's like... I'd have to print out a letter and put it in an envelope and stuff. Who's got time for that when I could be spamming more Ubi-abuse-posts on the wrong forum?

Have you got an email address? I looked for like 0 seconds, which is like almost as long as google spent looking, but a bit less and I couldn't find one. so I gave up yeah.

Email would be easier.

It would be funny if it wasn't true

[Nordmann]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

God, that's like... I'd have to print out a letter and put it in an envelope and stuff. Who's got time for that when I could be spamming more Ubi-abuse-posts on the wrong forum?

Have you got an email address? I looked for like 0 seconds, which is like almost as long as google spent looking, but a bit less and I couldn't find one. so I gave up yeah.

Email would be easier.

Heh, that pretty much sums it up. Sitting back and refusing to buy the game achieves bugger all, Ubi will simply chalk this up to a niche market, and move on to something else.

You need to let them know why you are not going to buy the game, stating your reasons clearly and without ranting. This is the only 'feedback' Ubi are likely to notice.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by IanC

And that makes me wonder, when somebody (who supposedly owns the game) posts only about 'the haters' and never about the actual game, just who is the obsessed one?

Ho sure!! how dare did I post one reply for every 100 posts I saw about SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me...

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Méo

Ho sure!! how dare did I post one reply for every 100 posts I saw about SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me...

I would actually have more respect for the posters of "SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me..." if they got up off their lazy asses and actually contacted UBI and told them why "SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me..."

[Moeceefus]

i almost didn't buy it. i almost fell into all the negativity. i could have been one of those who bashes a game i've never played based on hearsay, but then it occured to me that i love sub sims. i thought, how bad can it be? it cant be any worse than sh3 or 4 was on release right? i bought it and you know, i was right. its not bad at all. its far better than 3 and 4 were on release.

i wont deny there are some minor issues, but certainly nothing game breaking. honestly i have yet to expierience even half the bugs i have read about. its very playable as is and even better with mods. i could have jumped on the bandwagon but then i never would have truly known. its one thing to voice concerns over a game you're considering, but until you have at least played it a bit, you should hold off on outright bashing it.

there is no substitute for personal expierience when you are deciding whats right for you.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

I would actually have more respect for the posters of "SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me..." if they got up off their lazy asses and actually contacted UBI and told them why "SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me..."

Agreed

...and don't get me wrong.

I've already seen many movie critics being very hard, but they didn't spam and didn't make any insults or personal attacks.

What I mean is that a critic can be constructive even if it's really hard, but I guess you and I know very well that spamming the same insults over and over and over and over again won't change a damn thing.

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BTW, if they would that:

Originally Posted by robbo180265

" if they got up off their lazy asses and actually contacted UBI and told them why "SH5 is the worst thing that ever happened to me..."

It wouldn't be very ''cool''

[mikeydredd]

Following on the reasoning that if you don't own something you can't dislike it I wonder if NOT owning something means you can't LIKE it either?

I wonder how much Lucy Pinder would cost?

Or a Harley Davidson? (Already got one of them).

I dislike Hondas but I'm not allowed to say that, as I don't own one.

As we say in my part of the world - cobblers.

Dredd

[Méo]

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

I dislike Hondas but I'm not allowed to say that, as I don't own one.

It's not about ''you're not allowed''

It's about saying it (or spamming) over and over again every days for months to come (it's been almost 3 months since SH5 was release and even more since we know about DRM issue).

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Méo

Agreed

...and don't get me wrong.

I've already seen many movie critics being very hard, but they didn't spam and didn't make any insults or personal attacks.

What I mean is that a critic can be constructive even if it's really hard, but I guess you and I know very well that spamming the same insults over and over and over and over again won't change a damn thing.

It just makes me angry that even though they have valid reasons for being angry they wont do anything about it. I've mailed UBI with my concerns - why can't they?

What do they hope to achieve by doing nothing?