What do you feel about SH5 now?

[Zedi]

Seriously, people who don't own and play the game should be not allow to post no matter what. This is allowed only here, no other game community accept this attitude. If the legit owners complaint and bug report will be mixed with the haters, there is really no chance that the developers will take us seriously. The "feedbacks" here are almost 50% made by those who don't own or play the game.. disturbing. Even those who play the pirated game should have more right to post oppinions about SH5, no offence.

So if you love SH3-4.. good for you. There is a dedicated forum for SH3 and 4, use it. But I don't think is right that we are constantly spammed here with "SH5 sux, I will never buy it haha you loosers .. SH3 owns !!1!11" :/

[Rockin Robbins]

Once you have paid your money for the game you have already sent the only message Ubi will ever listen to: cheat me again! Those of us who are jingling the money in our pockets, waiting to purchase a real submarine simulator that respects its customers as honest people at the least or at best as enthusiastic assets in the future sales of a great product are the only ones sending a message that goes beyond "cheat me more!"

Our message is "Respect us as customers, supporters, potential mini advertising agencies, each and every one of us. We are responsible for your success or failure and we certainly are advertising now. Don't buy this travesty."

Our message will be effective and final. The customer whose economic behavior is responsible and unyielding always wins. By the way, I have lots of posts in Ubi forums.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Once you have paid your money for the game you have already sent the only message Ubi will ever listen to: cheat me again! Those of us who are jingling the money in our pockets, waiting to purchase a real submarine simulator that respects its customers as honest people at the least or at best as enthusiastic assets in the future sales of a great product are the only ones sending a message that goes beyond "cheat me more!"

Our message is "Respect us as customers, supporters, potential mini advertising agencies, each and every one of us. We are responsible for your success or failure and we certainly are advertising now. Don't buy this travesty."

Our message will be effective and final. The customer whose economic behavior is responsible and unyielding always wins. By the way, I have lots of posts in Ubi forums.

I agree. "People treat you the way you've taught them to treat you" - Dr.Phil (I think)

[Zedi]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

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Our message is "Respect us as customers, supporters, potential mini advertising agencies, each and every one of us. We are responsible for your success or failure and we certainly are advertising now. Don't buy this travesty."
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Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Me as a valid customer, I have the right to smash their faces, scream my anger all over the world and never buy another product with their logo on it. But if this gets mixed with those feelings and hate who don't own the game, my voice will never be heard and taken seriously.

[IanC]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Me as a valid customer, I have the right to smash their faces, scream my anger all over the world and never buy another product with their logo on it. But if this gets mixed with those feelings and hate who don't own the game, my voice will never be heard and taken seriously.

That doesn't make any sense to me. His point was that those of us who aren't buying SH5 are trying send a message to Ubi that they can't just dish out a bad quality game and expect it to be a success. You're saying I need to buy a copy in order to send that message?

[Méo]

Originally Posted by IanC

That doesn't make any sense to me. His point was that those of us who aren't buying SH5 are trying send a message to Ubi that they can't just dish out a bad quality game and expect it to be a success. You're saying I need to buy a copy in order to send that message?

If you want to send them a message, it would make more sense if you would post on their forums rather than here.

As someone already said: ''Complain to those who make the decisions, cuz the readers here don't''

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Wrong. He and others are allowed opinions on SH5 regardless of ownership. It's up to others to decide if they carry any weight. That's the entire point of a discussion board.

If you want UBI worship use the official game forum. Here at Subsim there is no censorship of opinion when it comes to the genre we are all here for.

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Me as a valid customer, I have the right to smash their faces, scream my anger all over the world and never buy another product with their logo on it. But if this gets mixed with those feelings and hate who don't own the game, my voice will never be heard and taken seriously.

Have you picked up on what RR is saying when he expresses his opinions? Here, I'll toss another chip at you: I don't own SH5, but just looking at what I've seen so far tells me a number of things. Number one is that it isn't worth the asking price in it's current state. If you've played the game and been frustrated by the most senseless of bugs that should have been fixed prior to release, you'll know what I've experienced in the past with similar "rush order" games. Furthermore, my knickers are all up in a twist because I was actually looking forward to SH5. The SH3 I currently play is awesome, but newer releases are supposed to be a major step forward, not a rip off. I'll be damned if I'm gonna shell out the clams for something that would probably detract from my game experience and ultimately my wallet. You see my line of thought there?

We have the right to our opinions here regardless of which side of the fence we're on. It's not just SH5 players that read these forums - there are plenty of us waiting in the wings for a glimmer of hope. As soon as we see that (if we do), we'll probably be joining the ranks as owners and players of Silent Hunter 5.

I know you want to stand up for your game, and I've been there plenty of times. But telling us to go away won't stop me or anyone else from making our own points - whether we own the game or not.

[Holdit]

Originally Posted by krashkart

We have the right to our opinions here regardless of which side of the fence we're on. It's not just SH5 players that read these forums - there are plenty of us waiting in the wings for a glimmer of hope. As soon as we see that (if we do), we'll probably be joining the ranks as owners and players of Silent Hunter 5..

Quite right. It sends a clear message to Ubisoft that, in spite of all, people still want to pay for a decent sim. They just need to be given a reason to buy. "Make me want to give you my money...it's here...waiting...". And the message for any potential subsim developer who happens to float by is also clear: there are lots of people here fed up with Ubisoft but who are very keen to hand over their money for a good sim. Not much chance of either of those scenarios if the forum just consists of happy campers guzzling down the kool-aid.

Holdit

[Flopper]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Two things. First off, two of the seven poll questions begin with "I haven't bought this game" and secondly,

[Rockin Robbins]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Wrong, you are not their customer nor a SH5 player so you're not entitled to have a valid opinion about something you actually don't own. Period.

Me as a valid customer, I have the right to smash their faces, scream my anger all over the world and never buy another product with their logo on it. But if this gets mixed with those feelings and hate who don't own the game, my voice will never be heard and taken seriously.

See you've got that totally wrong. I own copies of SH3 and SH4. My purchase of Ubi products and production of value enhancing content for them makes me a legitimate poster. (produced any mods or tutorials Magnum? What have YOU added to the value of Ubi products? No, huh? Nothing, huh?) Therefore I am a vested customer, already demonstrating my ability and willingness to purchase Ubi products and enhance their value to Ubi when they meet my requirements. SH5 falls short. Very short. Jingle! Jingle!

See, they hear that message. They know who I am. They know about my contributions to the SH4 world. They will either respond to my jingle and make money or not and publish console shoot-em-ups with whatever Sword of Damocles DRM they think is appropriate for people willing to pay to be abused.

After they make the wrong decision we will get the submarine simulation we need. After they make the right decision we will get the submarine simulation we need. Either way, withholding the money wins.

On the other hand, paying the money is rewarding their behavior so far and is in no way an encouragement to change. And the day they pull the plug on their 3 lousy servers, you have nothing but a drink coaster and wasted hard drive space. For that reason it doesn't even matter how good the game is.

[Moeceefus]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Once you have paid your money for the game you have already sent the only message Ubi will ever listen to: cheat me again! Those of us who are jingling the money in our pockets, waiting to purchase a real submarine simulator that respects its customers as honest people at the least or at best as enthusiastic assets in the future sales of a great product are the only ones sending a message that goes beyond "cheat me more!"

Our message is "Respect us as customers, supporters, potential mini advertising agencies, each and every one of us. We are responsible for your success or failure and we certainly are advertising now. Don't buy this travesty."

Our message will be effective and final. The customer whose economic behavior is responsible and unyielding always wins. By the way, I have lots of posts in Ubi forums.

i've paid more for far worse. i happen to have good times with sh5. i dont feel cheated and i'm happy to support any company that is willing to take a hit making the niche games i enjoy so much. rock on sh5

[danlisa]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Seriously, people who don't own and play the game should be not allow to post no matter what. This is allowed only here, no other game community accept this attitude.

It's not up to the game community what is allowed at Subsim, that privilege falls to Neal.

Neal and his team will decide what is permitted but I'll tell you this now, Subsim has always been (and will remain so) an open discussion forum regardless of beliefs, affiliations and differing views. This sets SS apart from every other game forum and IMHO is what makes SS so popular.

[Frumpkis]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Seriously, people who don't own and play the game should be not allow to post no matter what. This is allowed only here, no other game community accept this attitude. If the legit owners complaint and bug report will be mixed with the haters, there is really no chance that the developers will take us seriously. The "feedbacks" here are almost 50% made by those who don't own or play the game.. disturbing. Even those who play the pirated game should have more right to post oppinions about SH5, no offence.

That's ridiculous. There are many here like me, who are tracking the progress of SH5 and haven't decided to buy it yet, due to the state it's in. What's more, some of us, like me, have been playing the precursor games like SHIII and SH4 for years. We have an investment of time and money in the series up to this point, as well as participation in the subsim community (although until this release, I was more active on the Ubi forum). For anyone who has played SH3 and SH4 extensively over the years, it's easy to make judgments based on hearing what others are experiencing with this release. And judgments naturally lead to public comments.

If there is any faint chance that Ubi is paying attention to what's said on forums like this, the people here who don't yet own SH5 might serve as leverage to continue the patch releases (and/or make a change in the DRM method). We're people with money in our pockets, waiting to buy the game. We can't be leverage for a better game, if we keep our collective mouths shut.

[OldFrenchy]

Despite my strong reservations about DRM I eventually did buy the game ($15 + SH) online. Even at that relatively small price I feel cheated.
What's the point of playing a game that doesn't really work?
The only thing going for this game is the visual panorama. It is fabulous. However, you can only ride on top of the sub for so long before you want to play it- and then it falls apart.
I am not just disappointed with the patch, I am angry. The continual delays, the false promises, and a result that marginally improves on the original. It is disgraceful, and a slap in the face to the purchasers who had faith in the company and the devs. The modders can only do so much, and if it is the company's policy to shove the product out the door half-finished expecting it to be cleaned up by the modders.....
I will take back my words if the company plans another patch to fix SH5, but I'm not holding my breath.
Too little, too late.