Why am I having such a hard time killing subs?

[Molon Labe]

Originally Posted by NFunky

Alright god damn it, this is really driving me crazy! I have a save-game of a simple scenario in which I have a solid solution on an enemy sub I think is a diesel boat because of its TPK. I'm around 18 kyds away and am ready to fire. Now here's the thing, I could fire below the layer and be almost positive of a hit, but I'm trying to practice terminal guidance. Every time I have tried firing above the layer I miss.

When my fish are about halfway between me and him, I hear him accelerate and then disappear below te layer. I then duck below the layer to keep tracking. Below the layer, I can still detect a single tonal on the towed array, but can't pick up BB sphere or NB hull. I can still manage to guide my weapons to within about two miles of the target, even the one I've preset to search under the layer won't acquire. I simply can't track him accurately enough to get my weapons within the necessary acquisition range (which seems to be ridiculously close, like 1000 yards). I also can't let the torpedoes do their own snake pattern cause the AI will immediately make a sharp turn in an either left or right (closing or opening with me) and I can't tell which direction he's turned fast enough to guide the fish.

I'd love to somehow post this save-game and see if you experienced players have any problems sinking the sub. This scenario has proven to me that my TMA skills are adiquate, but the two minute updates just don't seem to be enough for terminal guidance when under the layer. Can someone tell me how I'd go about uploading/posting the file or do I have to individually e-mail it?

It would probably be OK to use the Download tab at the top of the page. Post it to DW/Missions. Also if you're at CADC, you can attach files to regular forum posts, so that may be more convenient. You can find the file in your DW/Scenarios directory; it has a .mss extension (assuming single mission).

It also might be simpler to use (or alter) the original mission or use a test mission instead of a save file. What mission are you playing? Are you using any mods, and what kind of sub are you after?

[NFunky]

Thanks for the fast reply Molon Labe. I've uploaded the file to CADC, here's the link:

http://www.commanders-academy.com/fo...ad.php?t=39734

It was played with LWAMI 3.09 and nothing else. The original mission was one I designed to help myself learn long range TMA and one-on-one ASW combat. It's extremely basic, with no units other than my 688i and a randomly chosen and placed enemy sub (Akula-I Imp., Agosta, Ming, Han, Delta IV or Typhoon).

The save-game is right at the point where I'm about to fire. Solution is rock solid, but I only have a TA contact. Sub is still unclassifiable, but the TPK that works best with my solution is 10, so I am assuming it's a D/E boat. It is a little more than 18 kyds away and hasn't heard me yet. Tubes 1 and 2 are targeted and presets set to RTE 16000, depth for 1 is 200, depth for 2 is 600, speed 55, floor 3000, active and snake. Tubes 1 and 2 are flooded/equalized, but the muzzle doors aren't open yet.

If you could give it a quick try that would be great. I have played this save-game a couple times now and I have only managed to kill the sub twice, and neither time was very elegant. Any advice would be very much appreciated.

[Molon Labe]

I missed too.

This is mostly because of the mod version, which means its my fault, not yours. In 3.09 I rescaled the ASLs of all the submarines, and I took it a little bit too far. Acquisition range for this target, as you've said, is down to about 1000yd, and that's too small. You can expect a minimum acquisition range of about 1nm for the ADCAP in 3.10, which is large enough that you won't miss because it snakes the wrong way at the wrong time.

Not that it provides much more info, but this issue drew posts 40 and 41 here.

I recommend using a Kilo for target practice instead for the time being. It's not impossible to hit an Agosta by any means, but it's pretty easy to miss with an accurate shot.

[NFunky]

Cool, thanks a lot man. I was sure it was just my poor tracking skills so this allows me to relax a bit on that subject.

Is 3.10 available yet? I haven't heard about it, but I'm also not the best at keeping up to date on all the different forums.

[Molon Labe]

Very soon. OneShot had been working on an installer package but RL got in the way and now he's gone for 7 weeks again. I think what we're going to do is forgo the installer package and release it as a compressed archive.

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by NFunky

Is 3.10 available yet? I haven't heard about it, but I'm also not the best at keeping up to date on all the different forums.

Not yet. It should be available in some form very soon.

EDIT: Yea what ML said...

[NFunky]

Hey, I just noticed that CADC has three 3.10 files in its repository. There's 3.10 documentation, 3.10 D&D update and 3.10 graphics update. There's no name, so are these actual LWAMI files or something else called 3.10?

[TLAM Strike]

Originally Posted by NFunky

Hey, I just noticed that CADC has three 3.10 files in its repository. There's 3.10 documentation, 3.10 D&D update and 3.10 graphics update. There's no name, so are these actual LWAMI files or something else called 3.10?

ML might be uploading them now. Stay tuned...

EDIT: NVM, those are envelopment builds we were using. ML should be uploading them in a few days.

[Molon Labe]

Originally Posted by NFunky

Hey, I just noticed that CADC has three 3.10 files in its repository. There's 3.10 documentation, 3.10 D&D update and 3.10 graphics update. There's no name, so are these actual LWAMI files or something else called 3.10?

Those are files I *quietly* sent to OneShot using the CADC since the upload size limit is through the roof. It ended up being much easier than using filefront.