Tough targets

gazpode_l · 05-09-10, 01:35 PM

Tramp steamers.
am I doing something wrong? but even two torpedoes wouldn't down a tramp steamer for me last night...perhaps I ought to experiment with manual aiming and have my officer do my shooting for me....???

FOUR Sunk a medium cargo...all of these in the practice missions

JohnWoo · 05-09-10, 01:58 PM

Maybe you need to give it little more time? After a torpedo-impact (if the ship isn't immediately destroyed by a hit in the fuel bunkers) it can take a few minutes or even hours for the ship to fill with water and eventually sink.
Most of the time, 2-3 torpedoes are all you need to sink the early big cargo's, so don't waste more than 2 on a medium cargo.

There's a thread somewhere discussing the weak points of military and merchant ships. There's also a pdf-file displaying those weak points.
I'll try to find the link.

maillemaker · 05-09-10, 02:06 PM

I agree, the smallest ships seem the hardest to sink.

Those little tramp steamers are tough little bastards!

Granvilles will sink with one torp, but those little tramp steamers are tough!

Steve

JohnWoo · 05-09-10, 02:13 PM

A good ol' pounding with the deck gun could show them

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JohnWoo · 05-09-10, 02:51 PM

the ship's weak spots

http://www.filefront.com/13792872/shipchart.pdf

Convycmg · 05-09-10, 03:13 PM

By practice missions you mean the torpedo school mission in the naval academy?

Being a newb I dunno if there's a consensus with ecperienced players or not, but personally I have found that the ships in those naval academy missions seem to take alot more damage before sinking than those you encounter in the actual war, playing a career.

gazpode_l · 05-09-10, 04:50 PM

YES I was referring to the academy missions!

I was beginning to wander that myself. perhaps those ships are toughened up after all!!

Question is WHY??

pickinthebanjo · 05-10-10, 12:21 AM

Are you using manual aiming? I use that convoy training level to test new mods and I find the ships are the same as they are in the campaign.

Just afew hours ago I hit a medium cargo (C2 in stock) and obliterated it with one lucky shot, but in that same mission I hit a Hunt 1 and it survived which i've never seen before. If depends greatly on the location you hit and the depth you ran the torpedo at.

If you have Dud torpedoes disabled you should be going for keel shots as the game won't make them as bad as they really were, but if your using impacts try adjusting depths and going for vital areas.

timmy41 · 05-10-10, 01:07 AM

since youll be using impact far more than magnetic, simply because of the weather, i recommend you learn to set the depth based on the waterline and keel depth of the target ship. Lets set a cargo has a depth of 7 meters, and its bottom curves at 5 meters. you will want to set the torp depth to 4.5 to get the best chance of detonation with a good impact angle, and to compensate for the boat swinging up and down in the waves.
thats at least how i do it, and i can often sink 6 to 10k ton ships with a single torp. it may take an hour but it works.

papa_smurf · 05-10-10, 05:00 AM

Looks like you stumbled upon Tramp Steamers packed with cork......

Jimbuna · 05-10-10, 05:11 AM

The little ones can be the trickiest but they are no different to any other ships in game regarding 'sweet spots'.

If possible, use the deck gun to finish them off if they don't sink with one eel.

You may come across the odd one carrying a cargo of lifejackets

Convycmg · 05-10-10, 11:40 AM

Lifejackets, or comically-shaped helium balloons destined for Britain to boost morale during the Blitz, perhaps.

I did wonder whether the training mission ships contained no cargo as they were destined for the bottom anyway, and hence were unusually bouyant. Even if that's not at all the case I'm sticking to that reason to defend my naval academy performance

frau kaleun · 05-10-10, 12:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Convycmg

Lifejackets, or comically-shaped helium balloons destined for Britain to boost morale during the Blitz, perhaps.

I did wonder whether the training mission ships contained no cargo as they were destined for the bottom anyway, and hence were unusually bouyant. Even if that's not at all the case I'm sticking to that reason to defend my naval academy performance

If you ever start feeling bad about your academy exams... just ask Sailor Steve about his.

STEED · 05-10-10, 12:27 PM

Never waste ells on the tin pot ships.

Think Big...Hunt Big ships...Sight Big ships...Sink big ships.

Sailor Steve · 05-10-10, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by frau kaleun

If you ever start feeling bad about your academy exams... just ask Sailor Steve about his.

On the other hand, don't.

The admiral's daughter is a notorious liar anyway.

05-09-10, 01:35 PM	#1
gazpode_l 中国水兵 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 280 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	Tough targets Tramp steamers. am I doing something wrong? but even two torpedoes wouldn't down a tramp steamer for me last night...perhaps I ought to experiment with manual aiming and have my officer do my shooting for me....??? FOUR Sunk a medium cargo...all of these in the practice missions

05-09-10, 01:58 PM	#2
JohnWoo Watch Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 21 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Maybe you need to give it little more time? After a torpedo-impact (if the ship isn't immediately destroyed by a hit in the fuel bunkers) it can take a few minutes or even hours for the ship to fill with water and eventually sink. Most of the time, 2-3 torpedoes are all you need to sink the early big cargo's, so don't waste more than 2 on a medium cargo. There's a thread somewhere discussing the weak points of military and merchant ships. There's also a pdf-file displaying those weak points. I'll try to find the link. __________________ "If it's me, it would be a waste not to dance no matter what." "Waiting and having faith is also a captain's duty."

05-09-10, 02:13 PM	#4
JohnWoo Watch Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 21 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	A good ol' pounding with the deck gun could show them ? __________________ "If it's me, it would be a waste not to dance no matter what." "Waiting and having faith is also a captain's duty."

05-09-10, 02:51 PM	#5
JohnWoo Watch Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Belgium Posts: 21 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	the ship's weak spots http://www.filefront.com/13792872/shipchart.pdf __________________ "If it's me, it would be a waste not to dance no matter what." "Waiting and having faith is also a captain's duty."

05-10-10, 05:00 AM	#10
papa_smurf Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: High Peak, Derbyshire Posts: 2,851 Downloads: 33 Uploads: 0	Looks like you stumbled upon Tramp Steamers packed with cork...... __________________

05-09-10, 02:06 PM	#3
maillemaker Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 1,639 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 0	I agree, the smallest ships seem the hardest to sink. Those little tramp steamers are tough little bastards! Granvilles will sink with one torp, but those little tramp steamers are tough! Steve

05-09-10, 03:13 PM	#6
Convycmg Watch Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: London Posts: 19 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	By practice missions you mean the torpedo school mission in the naval academy? Being a newb I dunno if there's a consensus with ecperienced players or not, but personally I have found that the ships in those naval academy missions seem to take alot more damage before sinking than those you encounter in the actual war, playing a career.

05-09-10, 04:50 PM	#7
gazpode_l 中国水兵 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Chelmsford, Essex Posts: 280 Downloads: 50 Uploads: 0	YES I was referring to the academy missions! I was beginning to wander that myself. perhaps those ships are toughened up after all!! Question is WHY??

05-10-10, 12:21 AM	#8
pickinthebanjo Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Canada Posts: 651 Downloads: 282 Uploads: 0	Are you using manual aiming? I use that convoy training level to test new mods and I find the ships are the same as they are in the campaign. Just afew hours ago I hit a medium cargo (C2 in stock) and obliterated it with one lucky shot, but in that same mission I hit a Hunt 1 and it survived which i've never seen before. If depends greatly on the location you hit and the depth you ran the torpedo at. If you have Dud torpedoes disabled you should be going for keel shots as the game won't make them as bad as they really were, but if your using impacts try adjusting depths and going for vital areas.

05-10-10, 01:07 AM	#9
timmy41 Weps Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 367 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	since youll be using impact far more than magnetic, simply because of the weather, i recommend you learn to set the depth based on the waterline and keel depth of the target ship. Lets set a cargo has a depth of 7 meters, and its bottom curves at 5 meters. you will want to set the torp depth to 4.5 to get the best chance of detonation with a good impact angle, and to compensate for the boat swinging up and down in the waves. thats at least how i do it, and i can often sink 6 to 10k ton ships with a single torp. it may take an hour but it works.

05-10-10, 05:11 AM	#11
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 191,124 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	The little ones can be the trickiest but they are no different to any other ships in game regarding 'sweet spots'. If possible, use the deck gun to finish them off if they don't sink with one eel. You may come across the odd one carrying a cargo of lifejackets __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!!

05-10-10, 11:40 AM	#12
Convycmg Watch Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: London Posts: 19 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Lifejackets, or comically-shaped helium balloons destined for Britain to boost morale during the Blitz, perhaps. I did wonder whether the training mission ships contained no cargo as they were destined for the bottom anyway, and hence were unusually bouyant. Even if that's not at all the case I'm sticking to that reason to defend my naval academy performance

05-10-10, 12:27 PM	#14
STEED Lucky Jack Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Down Town UK Posts: 27,695 Downloads: 89 Uploads: 48	Never waste ells on the tin pot ships. Think Big...Hunt Big ships...Sight Big ships...Sink big ships. __________________ Dr Who rest in peace 1963-2017. To borrow Davros saying...I NAME YOU CHIBNALL THE DESTROYER OF DR WHO YOU KILLED IT!