Wear the American Flag and get sent home...

[UnderseaLcpl]

Originally Posted by Aramike

I have to agree with Neal on this one. Perhaps its the public's job to pay for educating our youth - but it is NOT the public's job to provide a forum for students to express themselves freely.

Education shouldn't be the public's job, period. If it were a real job, they'd have been fired a long time ago. Of course, I don't see the American public making the leap of faith into completely privatized education anytime soon, even if poorer families were eligible for subsidies to help pay for it, though I do think as private a system as possible would be best.

If I had a kid, and I had an actual choice of schools (not "pay for these schools, and then pay for the one you choose as well") I'd probably send him or her to a uniformed school, assuming I could find one with a snappy uniform and a good rep for a reasonable price; and I would, too, because schools would be like supermarkets. They'd be all over the place in every variety you can imagine.

Whether or not uniforms are a good thing is not the issue. The issue is that if my child is forced to attend a particular school with a particular curriculum and student/staff populace, then I will not tolerate uniforms, or any other enforced choices. Uniforms? No. School lunch only? No. Mandatory extracurriculars or electives? No. Mandatory non-academic activies? No. Forced busing? No. No No no no no no no no!

Obviously, my hypothetical child would have to be home schooled, since I wouldn't send them to a parochial school, but even home-schooled children tend to do a lot better than publicly-educated children, or even privately-schooled children, and all for around 16% of the cost of public school spending per pupil. The only thing that sucks about it is that they don't get to learn amongst peers in a social environment. That's an easy fix if you're a good home-teacher. You could always persuade neighbors or friends or family to let you home-school their children along with your own.... oh wait, no you can't, because you'd need a license and a degree and all the required minutiae and licensed staff and approval from everybody under the sun. By the time you get done with that, you'd be running a private school that no one has the money to pay tuition for.

The public school system has been consolidating its grip on education and taxpayer dollars for decades now, and it has only ever gotten worse. Who here assumes that uniforms will magically change that? This is the straw that fixed the camel's back? This is the level of control needed? The one that has been missing all these years? <"wanking" motion>

They always say that if only they had this or that the system would work, and it never does. Not in public schooling, not in public housing, not in public healthcare, not in public anything. Even in the GD military nothing ever seems to work and it costs bazillions!

<sigh> I better stop myself now, before this turns into another Great Wall of English, but I encourage everyone to look at the bigger picture, here. Uniforms will not fix anything, and incidents like this PC flag rage will only happen more often as time goes on. That's what happens when you try to cram all the squares and triangles and octagons and whatnot into the hole made for the circle.

[August]

Hey if one of my students wears the American flag next may 5th can I get the rest of the day off in protest too?

[Aramike]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

And the public is not paying for their free expression, the kids parents are. Last I heard public schools did not buy clothes for the children.

I didn't say that.

I said "a forum" for their expression.

[tater]

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Whoa whoa whoa...I agree with you on this issue. Ok? I just think that reading too much into a stupid decision made by some overly-PC high school principal is just taking it a bit too far.

No, I get that, but the news, and the left in general would lose their minds if, for example, kids were sent home for having mexican flags on, or, say, some sort of traditional african costume, pick something popularly PC. Seriously, imagine hispanic kids with mexico shirts on being sent home by some redneck principal.

The guy would be out of a job before lunch.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by tater

No, I get that, but the news, and the left in general would lose their minds if, for example, kids were sent home for having mexican flags on, or, say, some sort of traditional african costume, pick something popularly PC. Seriously, imagine hispanic kids with mexico shirts on being sent home by some redneck principal.

The guy would be out of a job before lunch.

Yet this didn't happen. Nothing happened like this. So it's really pointless to bring this up. Really, can't we stick to the real story for once here people? Honestly, the label attachments to people just to make it easy and simple to distinguish who's on who's side is getting old. Really old. "The left", "the right", nobody ever lives up to these terms. Drop it already. Jebus.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by tater

No, I get that, but the news, and the left in general would lose their minds if, for example, kids were sent home for having mexican flags on, or, say, some sort of traditional african costume, pick something popularly PC. Seriously, imagine hispanic kids with mexico shirts on being sent home by some redneck principal.

The guy would be out of a job before lunch.

Please not the assistant principals last name.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Please not the assistant principals last name.

Even so, that name does not necessarily mean they're of Mexican heritage. It's common throughout all Spanish-speaking nations. And the principal's name is Nicholas L. Boden... lol. AND very few of the faculty are Hispanic. Check out their website on the faculty pages. They have pictures too.

http://liveoakhs.ca.campusgrid.net/home
http://liveoakhs.ca.campusgrid.net/home/Alumni

[CaptainHaplo]

Who cares whether or not they have a majority of hispanics running the school - the person who approached the boys was the assistant principle - and the school district itself has said he has acted inappropriately. I don't care if his name was Smith Jones or some other "english" generic name - he acted wrongly by making the wearing of American flags an issue - per his own bosses. The point is had it been any other flag other than the American one - and he would have been on "administrative leave" within hours - but because it wasn't any other flag - nothing will happen - unless the matter continues to escalate.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

Who cares whether or not they have a majority of hispanics running the school -

AVG and a couple others apparently. Because they brought up the issue of names.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

the person who approached the boys was the assistant principle -

And the person who is above but in the same department as the assistant principle is the principle... just thought I'd through his name out there for the ones who were bringing the names issue up.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

and the school district itself has said he has acted inappropriately.

Then we're pretty much all in agreement on this. Two of the kids were apparently Hispanic too lol.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-...nclick_check=1

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

I don't care if his name was Smith Jones or some other "english" generic name - he acted wrongly by making the wearing of American flags an issue - per his own bosses.

No, you don't. I don't really either. But others here do. And I wasn't even talking to you to begin with.

Originally Posted by CaptainHaplo

The point is had it been any other flag other than the American one - and he would have been on "administrative leave" within hours - but because it wasn't any other flag - nothing will happen - unless the matter continues to escalate.

"Had it been". But it wasn't. This is speculation as to what would have happened. No matter what you're speculating on, what, exactly, are you, or anybody else for that matter, attempting to accomplish? The point is that there is no point to this kind of jibber-jabber. Because it's just speculation. Dwell on what did happen for this kind of discussion topic- not what "would of happened" or "had it been".

[tater]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Yet this didn't happen. Nothing happened like this. So it's really pointless to bring this up. Really, can't we stick to the real story for once here people? Honestly, the label attachments to people just to make it easy and simple to distinguish who's on who's side is getting old. Really old. "The left", "the right", nobody ever lives up to these terms. Drop it already. Jebus.

No, because if it did happen, anyone doing it WOULD INSTANTLY LOSE THEIR JOB. Everyone knows this to be true, and guess what, they like having a job, so they don't do it.

You know this to be true.

Lesse, radio personalities who are controversial or "shocking" as their SOP get sh*tcanned for uttering anything remotely racial even in a clear joking context.

Kids have put up Mexican flags in schools. Other kids took the flags down. Did the kids who put up the flags get in trouble? No. The kids who took the flags DOWN—again, put up without permission—got suspended. That is 100% the standard, and we all know it.

[CaptainHaplo]

No matter what you're speculating on, what, exactly, are you, or anybody else for that matter, attempting to accomplish? The point is that there is no point to this kind of jibber-jabber. Because it's just speculation. Dwell on what did happen for this kind of discussion topic- not what "would of happened" or "had it been".

Its called pointing out a double standard - which should not exist, but does. Pointing out things that are wrong is usually how they eventually get fixed.

The thing here is that this issue is NOT over, but in fact is escalating. Hispanic students marching and demanding these kids be suspended? Doesn't sound like its did down, does it.... The agitating portion of the hispanic population better smarten up quick - this is America, not Mexico - and they are very close to creating a pushback that they have no clue of the severity of.

[les green01]

to me this is like burning the flag or waving a sign at a funural of a soldier that got kill,you dont love this country then it simple leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out,i know im going take some heat for this but i don't care not anymore i don't anymore way i feel life sucks then you die.

[STEED]

There has been news items here over the years about the Union Flag or the St Georges Flag about upsetting certain members of sociality, makes me sick it dose.

[nikimcbee]

Originally Posted by STEED

There has been news items here over the years about the Union Flag or the St Georges Flag about upsetting certain members of sociality, makes me sick it dose.

Who gets upset over that?

[STEED]

Originally Posted by nikimcbee

Who gets upset over that?

I think the highest percentage goes to the curtain twitches who think there sticking up for the Muslims but in fact are causing more problems than they think.

Bloody do-gooder's