I seriously don't get it.........

[Type941]

I think USSR was a bit pissed of with that athlete from Poland setting a record in the olympics in the 80s.

[CCIP]

Well that's not so much 'race' as just politics.

I'm surprise anyone would bring in 'race' or ethnic factors into the case against a country which is most notorious under the rule of a dictator who wasn't even Russian by birth or education, and spoke with a very telling accent. Not to say he personally didn't have a tooth against a few nationalities, including Jews, but going by statistics... everyone got shafted pretty equally in the end, I'd say. :hmm:

[Type941]

A good point - Stalin was from Georgia. He has nothing to do with Russia as a nationality. Wish that people remember that sometimes.

[Kapitan]

georgia is acctualy or was rather a soviet republic so there was a very high connection there same with chechnya most of these third world ex soviet republics are waring georgia and chechnya are two of them.

chechen rebels are acctualy part of alquieda and are finaced by them and given arms by them russia doesnt want to hand full control to these republics for certain reasons i dont know why there has to be something there of use to russia

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Kapitain

georgia is acctualy or was rather a soviet republic so there was a very high connection.

Yes, it was, but not ethnically (culturally only to some extent, since Georgia is also a long-time, well-developed christian nation). Georgia became part of the Russian Empire in the beginning of the 19th century. Chechnya was gradually taken over during the mid-19th century. Making a comparison between Chechnya and Georgia though, is a stretch. The only thing they really have in common is that they're in the same general geographic area.

chechen rebels are acctualy part of alquieda and are finaced by them and given arms by them russia doesnt want to hand full control to these republics for certain reasons i dont know why there has to be something there of use to russia

That's a huge simplification of the matter.

Chechen rebels are not part of Al-Quaeda, but they do have links. Most of the Chechen arms come from Russia, or were even picked up from massive Soviet stockpiles when the union fell apart. They don't need to beg Al-Quaeda for weapons, and they're generally better equipped and trained (in part by Al-Quaeda) than the Russian forces there.

Why Russia doesn't want to let go is simple: it's very, very politically advantageous for the administration to stay there. It's a great political card; the US in Iraq could take a cue in hypocricy, media spins and flat-out lies that the Russian government comes up with to use the war to its advantage.

On the other hand, I'd like to see what would happen if Chechnya is handed off to these rebels. Taliban was at least mostly fundamentalist religion-based; these guys, meanwhile, are in it for fun and profit. :hmm:

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by CCIP

Well that's not so much 'race' as just politics.

I'm surprise anyone would bring in 'race' or ethnic factors into the case against a country which is most notorious under the rule of a dictator who wasn't even Russian by birth or education, and spoke with a very telling accent. Not to say he personally didn't have a tooth against a few nationalities, including Jews, but going by statistics... everyone got shafted pretty equally in the end, I'd say. :hmm:

Race, Ethnic what is the difference? Anyhow I have read many reports that Jewish people were 'shafted' more. Also you mention a Russian dictator who wasn't born in Russia, well the same can be said about a German dictator who was born in Linz, Austria. In the end, it really doesn't matter, they both committed mass murder on an equal level. This 'mass murder' is what I was trying to get at in my question.........I wasn't defending/supporting Nazi Germany or trolling, not like what STD developer thought.

[Type941]

ok, it looked like you were defending Hitler.

What you did is you turned this from Hitler/Stalin to NaziGermani/USSR. IMHO - the governments and not the people should be the focus! Paranoid men, who came to power by manipulating the people. As a russian, i have nothing to appologise for, and have nothing to do with Stalin, who, as I said wasn't even russian.

[Damo1977]

No I am not,
I have never set out to defend Hitler or the Nazis...

the question/statement should have been,
I don't understand why the USSR is not treated or seen the same way as Nazi Germany.

I like my writings short, sharp and straight to the point. Majority of the time it works, but sometimes it can backfire.

Well back to work for me....

[Type941]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

No I am not,
I have never set out to defend Hitler or the Nazis...

the question/statement should have been,
I don't understand why the USSR is not treated or seen the same way as Nazi Germany.

I like my writings short, sharp and straight to the point. Majority of the time it works, but sometimes it can backfire.

Well back to work for me....

But in short, USSR and Nazi germany is not the same thing.

[Kapitan]

USSR and nazi germany two diffrent thing two diffrent ideologys two diffrent practices and two diffrent way views means and people

[Damo1977]

arggggghhhhhhhhh I know they were different in all aspects......

Why isn't the USSR, despised, loathed, hated etc. like Nazi Germany is when they both perfomed crimes against humanity on an equally atrocious level?

[Type941]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

Why isn't the USSR, despised, loathed, hated etc. like Nazi Germany is ...?

Because they aren't the same thing.

[August]

Originally Posted by Damo1977

Why isn't the USSR, despised, loathed, hated etc. like Nazi Germany is when they both perfomed crimes against humanity on an equally atrocious level?

Perhaps it was because the USSR was not totally defeated in a bitter world war it had started at the height of their most dastardly acts. Imagine Allied troops capturing the gulags in their heyday, everthing being photographed, filmed and broadcast to the entire world along with the stories of the surviving victims.

While certainly no excuse for such crimes. time and destruction of evidence does a lot to reduce public outrage and hate.

[Type941]

You really do only see things in black and white, don't you August?

Imagine Allied troops capturing the gulags in their heyday, everthing being photographed, filmed and broadcast to the entire world along with the stories of the surviving victims.

Troll.

[Damo1977]

Originally Posted by Type941

Because they aren't the same thing.

I think I finally figured out what you mean, the Nazis murdered certain classes and races of people with ruthless efficiency and planning, while the Soviets just murdered people they didn't like, in a adhoc way.
Am I right?
But than to be brutally honest whats the difference when your dead your dead, no matter what way it is done.......