Why I've decided not to buy, or own, SH5 (and I hope Ubi reads this)

[Rockin Robbins]

Glad to see this thread near the top again. The casual visitor looking for information on whether or not they should buy SH5 needs to know that SH5 is fatally flawed and this is not the time to buy.

[The General]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Glad to see this thread near the top again. The casual visitor looking for information on whether or not they should buy SH5 needs to know that SH5 is fatally flawed and this is not the time to buy.

This kind of 'thinking' will see to it that there is no SH6. Sh5 is a very enjoyable experienced with Mods, Patch 1.2 is about to come out and things are improving all the time. Telling people not to buy it is not the way to go.

[CapnScurvy]

I've had the June PCGamer issue sitting on my nightstand for a week now, unopened, until I noticed today the front cover states a "Silent Hunter 5 review" enclosed. I tore into the cellophane and turned to page 68, dropping my eyes down to the game rating area labeled "Verdict" and found (not surprisingly) a 55 out of 100 for the overall score for the game!! A 55!! That's on par with such block buster games as "Who wants to be a Millionaire, 3rd Edition" at 55, or "Beavis and Butt-Head: Bunghole in One" a 53. PCGamer's rating system states a game rating between 50-59% is "Merely Okay", "Very ordinary games. They're not completely worthless, but you can definitely find numerous better choices".

The specific review starts "No point in sugarcoating it: SH5, Ubisoft Romania's third crack at the Silent Hunter submarine sim franchise, is a dud"

A DUD !!

As in, "What the heck is wrong with these torpedos"? DUD!!

I've not bought SH5, nor do I plan to. I'll not pay for the right to become frustrated over the numerous problems this franchise has brought to the submarine simulation community. I remember looking back on SH4's first release and remember scratching my head over an American sub simulation using only the metric system for the games measurements!?! It's like, What kind of game company puts out a product that misses so badly a fundamental issue as to what kind of measurements did the American sailor use? And by the way, we don't call it, nor use, "the Imperial system". That's a "European thing", not ours!!!! Anyway, I digress!!

The point is this company has sold us a boat load of crap, again! The only folks that benefit are those counting the money. I paid for the U-Boat Missions Add-on, to put the "Nazi's in the Pacific" (sounds like the 1940's Tarzan movie I remember when the Nazi's showed up deep in the Congo looking for gold, putting Cheata and Jane in peril!!) but I won't do it again.
In my opinion, the only way to push the genre forward is to let this franchise dry up on the vine. Either Ubisoft realises it's folly and makes a new start or they fade away allowing a different company to take the submarine simulation genre down a different path. I really don't care which way the wind blows this ship, I just know the port of "Ubisoft' need not be entered again as it stands now.

[ddrgn]

Originally Posted by CapnScurvy

I've had the June PCGamer issue sitting on my nightstand for a week now, unopened, until I noticed today the front cover states a "Silent Hunter 5 review" enclosed. I tore into the cellophane and turned to page 68, dropping my eyes down to the game rating area labeled "Verdict" and found (not surprisingly) a 55 out of 100 for the overall score for the game!! A 55!! That's on par with such block buster games as "Who wants to be a Millionaire, 3rd Edition" at 55, or "Beavis and Butt-Head: Bunghole in One" a 53. PCGamer's rating system states a game rating between 50-59% is "Merely Okay", "Very ordinary games. They're not completely worthless, but you can definitely find numerous better choices".

The specific review starts "No point in sugarcoating it: SH5, Ubisoft Romania's third crack at the Silent Hunter submarine sim franchise, is a dud"

A DUD !!

As in, "What the heck is wrong with these torpedos"? DUD!!

I've not bought SH5, nor do I plan to. I'll not pay for the right to become frustrated over the numerous problems this franchise has brought to the submarine simulation community. I remember looking back on SH4's first release and remember scratching my head over an American sub simulation using only the metric system for the games measurements!?! It's like, What kind of game company puts out a product that misses so badly a fundamental issue as to what kind of measurements did the American sailor use? And by the way, we don't call it, nor use, "the Imperial system". That's a "European thing", not ours!!!! Anyway, I digress!!

The point is this company has sold us a boat load of crap, again! The only folks that benefit are those counting the money. I paid for the U-Boat Missions Add-on, to put the "Nazi's in the Pacific" (sounds like the 1940's Tarzan movie I remember when the Nazi's showed up deep in the Congo looking for gold, putting Cheata and Jane in peril!!) but I won't do it again.
In my opinion, the only way to push the genre forward is to let this franchise dry up on the vine. Either Ubisoft realises it's folly and makes a new start or they fade away allowing a different company to take the submarine simulation genre down a different path. I really don't care which way the wind blows this ship, I just know the port of "Ubisoft' need not be entered again as it stands now.

Out of the box I give SH3 a 6/10 and SH4 a 5/10.... Pretty much garbage.

I would have used the DVD's for throwing at concrete walls if all that was, was what SH3 and SH4 were ever going to be out of the box.

SH4 reviews back in the day were bought by Ubisoft, Ubisoft didn't buy any reviews for SH5 this time around.....

SH5 out of the box I give a 5/10, but we are all so much smarter than this right? We know the game needs the modding touch, this is nothing new. 9/10!

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Glad to see this thread near the top again. The casual visitor looking for information on whether or not they should buy SH5 needs to know that SH5 is fatally flawed and this is not the time to buy.

First off - with the exception of a few troll posts this has been a very constructive thread IMO.

Fatally flawed implies that SH5 will never ever be a good game and I personally don't think that the case. I presume also, that to have come to that conclusion means that you don't own the game.

I own SH5 , but play SH3 GWX.

I see SH5 as being very simlar to vanilla SH3, kind of an arcady sub simulator. In my opinion it could be modded into a newer, better looking version of SH3 - alas the backlash against the D*M and also the perception that its "broken" , bug ridden" , unplayable, fatally flawed, may mean that it never gets the chance, which in my opinion would be a shame.

I think the devs went the wrong way with the crew management feature and the campaign, but other than that it really rocks to be able to walk the full length of a U boat. There are also lots of other nice touches throughout the game. If you can get SH5 at a Knock down price I heartilly recommend you do.

The reason I don't play SH5 at the moment is the same reason I don't play vanilla SH3, you see I want a U Boat simulator it really is that simple. If SH5 gets modded the way SH3 did then it's bye bye SH3 for good.

Only time will tell I guess.

[Feuer Frei!]

I thought he was being sarcastic
Maybe not...

[ddrgn]

Originally Posted by Rockin Robbins

Glad to see this thread near the top again. The casual visitor looking for information on whether or not they should buy SH5 needs to know that SH5 is fatally flawed and this is not the time to buy.

Another reason the game is lacking in support, even the site Brass has been knocking the game, even before release. Personally I see a divide between fleet boat and u-boat here. Maybe its just me but the old crowd out of SH4 overall seems to bash the game.

I have logged over a 100 hours of MP time in this "fatally flawed" game...

Sorry RR, I get the feeling you don't even have SH5....... So why comment on on it?

[Bilge_Rat]

Originally Posted by ddrgn

Sorry RR, I get the feeling you don't even have SH5....... So why comment on on it?

He does not, he just has an axe to grind. At least he did not launch into another speech about SH5 being an affront to the U.S. Constitution...

...

Rant mode on:

All of us subsimmers who have played SH3, SH4 and gave SH5 an objective chance realize SH5 is a significant improvement in the franchise. Yes, it has bugs and some unfinished aspects, but modders have already provided workarounds for the worst bugs and SH5 is perfectly playable. In MP and single player missions, it is a blast.

Everyone here now conveniently forgets all the bugs that plagued SH3 upon release: escorts firing on each other, ships capsizing or sinking for no reason, entire convoys being frozen in the Atlantic beacause you saved to close to them, DDs sinking after ramming your boat, your officers being exhausted mid-patrol because there were no enough slots in the crew management page to properly rest them, etc., etc.,

The difference of course, was that back then, everyone was willing to give SH3 a chance because it was a significant advancement in subsims. Most posters were interested in seeing how you could improve the sim, not destroy it.

Now on the SH5 forum, you have a group of posters who do not own the game, do not play it and want to destroy it to further their own anti-DRM agenda, irrespective of any objective facts you may present regarding the improvements and qualities of the game.

I spent some time recently on the Ubi AC2 forum to see what the atmosphere was like there and imagine my surprise when I saw that most threads were about the game and not about DRM... These kids have a very mature attitude and show quite clearly that most of the rabid anti-DRM crowd here are just a collection of cranky old codgers.

Rant mode off.

[robbo180265]

Personally it's really starting to tick me off.

They have no interest in the game - they only come into this forum to inflate their already over inflated egos (and I'm not talking about the OP here either) stir up trouble and leave.

They have nothing constructive to say about the game - just the usual "DRM sux" and "SH5 sux" mantra over and over again.

You can see how interested they are - they don't even reply to us because they are already on another forum talking about their favourite version of SH.

Trolling in the truest sense of the word..

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

You can see how interested they are - they don't even reply to us because they are already on another forum talking about their favourite version of SH.

Trolling in the truest sense of the word..

*crawls out from under his bridge*


My favorite SH was probably SH3. The hospital level was downright creepy with all those zombie nurses clumsily firing at me with their magnums.


*swipes a sheep from robbo, bites a leg off and trudges back under the bridge*






Dang! Channing's was better.

[robbo180265]

Originally Posted by krashkart

*crawls out from under his bridge*


My favorite SH was probably SH3. The hospital level was downright creepy with all those zombie nurses clumsily firing at me with their magnums.


*swipes a sheep from robbo, bites a leg off and trudges back under the bridge*






Dang! Channing's was better.

And you know I didn't mean you either lol

(Loved Silent Hill BTW)

[robbo180265]

@schlechter pfennig,

This is a quote from Tom Coefield the editor of SimHq and the person who wrote the review.

Originally Posted by SimHq Tom Cofield

If they patch it, and if they do something about the DRM, and once the game is heavily modded then I might just do a re-review of the title. This is a game that could be absolutely outstanding, actually fantastic because the base is there for an outstanding game. Just like SHIII and IV, this is a game that shipped incomplete but unlike SHIII or IV this game has some serious detractions that hurt the game significantly. Luckily a lot of it can be fixed.

You can read the whole post here:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/show...8&postcount=12

Isn't this what we've been saying all along?

[krashkart]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

And you know I didn't mean you either lol

(Loved Silent Hill BTW)

[ddrgn]

Well said my friends. New players should read between the lines here, base their decisions on whether to purchase the game on posts by people actually playing it.

[John Channing]

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

These kids have a very mature attitude and show quite clearly that most of the rabid anti-DRM crowd here are just a collection of cranky old codgers.

Rant mode off.

Hey! I resent that. Not all cranky old codgers are anti-DRM.

Some of us just don't give a crap.




and get offa my lawn


JCC