Noah's Ark found...

[Freiwillige]

The bible, Best storybook ever written.

[Platapus]

And how did Noah keep the salt water fish alive?

That much rain would dilute the salinity of the oceans and kill the salt water fish.

Unless it rained salt water in that case it would probably kill make the land incapable of sustaining plant life.

Speaking of plant life, what about all the terrestrial plant life that could not survive being underwater for the weeks of the flood?

It just don't add up.

I always wondered what Noah did with all that poop too?

[Sledgehammer427]

40 days and night of rain? Lesse, 13k feet, times 12, divided by 40, divided by 24 hours... 162.5 inches of rain PER HOUR. 2.7 inches of rain PER MINUTE. How did they BREATHE?

that just made my day, and it is a good grounds for argument.

Platapus, you can find all the answers to your questions at cretinist central.
http://www.answersingenesis.org/get-...opic/noahs-ark
Plus you can find some real gems like "what did the dinosaurs eat on the ark".
Its quite a surprising answer as apparently the carniverous ones ate giant tortoise and exotic fish

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Freiwillige

The bible, Best storybook ever written.

Umm not necessarily true. I've found at least some of the things written to be genuinely true. But the other things that I don't know must still be taken errr with faith.

Things like the face of God which shines(and shining was an understatement as it was more like exploding with light), and that the dead not being able to remember anything including God and unable to register the passage of time either. Things like more than one author in diffrent span of time writing about the exactly the same thing . . .that later I found to be true.

One of the things I got it wrong was that I thought God was always meek and loving and it seems that God is more like strict and loving. I didn't know that people couldn't stare at God's face so I did when I had the chance while I was a kid years ago (and I thought it was just Christ and I wanted to see Jesus face I really do, the real one) ...my repeated attempt and stubbornness was met with both my eyeballs being made hurt in the end. Kinda arrogant wasn't He . . . .LOL

As I get older I hold more respect to the bible.

But then again perhaps God is not for everyone.
I just feel lucky enough to know certain things, things that made me knew that God is real. It has helped a lot in life but even with knowledge things must still be taken with faith too as no one can know God like knowing another person. If made a metaphor knowing God in this life is like touching but not seeing, like hearing but not seeing, and like seeing but not hearing and touching.

[Happy Times]

So you claim to have seen God and previously said i was rude for saying to get help for yourself?

Once someone here declared he was getting instructions from God.

Anyones beliefs dont interest or bother me as such but when someone is clearly displaying signs of mental health problems im not going to stay silent.

[CaptainHaplo]

Happy Times - so everyone that thinks they have seen God needs mental help? I see God every day - not in a physical sense - but I see the presence of the supreme in everything. People have near death experiences - and usually the descriptions are remarkably consistent.

Your entitled to your opinions - just as everyone is. And its ok to be concerned and even PM a person respectfully about them pursuing some mental health assistance if you really feel strongly. But calling someone out publicly is rather rude - and mocking someone's personal beliefs on their own experiences (which you cannot judge, not having them) - isn't necessary either.

I have met people who swear they have had experiences that I personally deem impossible. Doesn't give me the right to automatically assume they are crazy. There are any number of reasons one can interpret a personal experience, and if Castout wants to think one of his is having looked at the face of God - thats his deal. Why mock a man for his beliefs if your sure of your own? Isn't being secure in your own thoughts enough?

Lets say that your right for argument's sake - that maybe Castout has a mental problem. Does giving him grief here help fix that? Mental illness can't be helped in a forum, not will calling him out make him seek help. People who do have problems - if you really feel he does, need support and acceptance to feel safe enough to get help. Think on it my friend.

[Castout]

Originally Posted by Happy Times

So you claim to have seen God and previously said i was rude for saying to get help for yourself?

Once someone here declared he was getting instructions from God.

Anyones beliefs dont interest or bother me as such but when someone is clearly displaying signs of mental health problems im not going to stay silent.

Well another mocking it's okay I didn't not anticipate it. I wrote what I wrote because I felt compelled to testify what I know. I knew the possible consequences. It's actually a very good thing being mocked for speaking the truth. It's at the other extreme of being praised for speaking a lie.

Well another person can't judge another person's experience without having full knowledge. That much is true. You jumping in to conclusion well it is not wise. . .

@CaptainHaplo
It's okay I already anticipated that kind of response. It was just a matter from whom. I certainly didn't write that to get praises or recognition or whatever. Had I wanted them I would be wise not to write about them in the first place.

and umm I didn't see God's(Jesus) face as light was coming from the direction of His face so bright it enveloped the whole figure so what I saw basically was a very very very bright white light whose source was coming from the face(at least that was what I felt) as the intensity grew the closer I stared into the face until it was overwhelming and made my eyeballs hurt like being pierced by a hundred needles in the end. And it was a looong time ago when I was in the 7th grade. Now I'm 30 years old. It was a one time event.

[Task Force]

Wow, at this rate there must be a fleet of arks. its a crock... How many other times have they found someting like this.

The entire story is completly not possiable. there are 100,000s of species of animals, people didnt even know about then. and what about black people, asian people, whites? did he bring two of them to. cause if he didnt those blacks went through one hell of a change.

[tater]

I was hoping for some sort of idiotic defense of the literal arc story. Woulda been a fun thread

[Dowly]

Originally Posted by tater

I was hoping for some sort of idiotic defense of the literal arc story. Woulda been a fun thread

Hah, me too.

[AVGWarhawk]

Has anyone stopped to think that perhaps the Bible is a good 'rule book'? Lets change some words..."Ten Commandments" to "Ten Rules to Live Buy" or "Rules Set By Your Local Government" Would a different light be shed upon these 10 commandments, rules, law?

We can not just wish away the Dead Sea Scrolls and what is contained with in. Are these scrolls just an elaborate hoax?

1.The Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered in eleven caves along the northwest shore of the Dead Sea between the years 1947 and 1956. The area is 13 miles east of Jerusalem and is 1300 feet below sea level. The mostly fragmented texts, are numbered according to the cave that they came out of. They have been called the greatest manuscript discovery of modern times. See a Dead Sea Scroll Jar.

2.Only Caves 1 and 11 have produced relatively intact manuscripts. Discovered in 1952, Cave 4 produced the largest find. About 15,000 fragments from more than 500 manuscripts were found.

3. In all, scholars have identified the remains of about 825 to 870 separate scrolls.
4. The Scrolls can be divided into two categories—biblical and non-biblical. Fragments of every book of the Hebrew canon (Old Testament) have been discovered except for the book of Esther.
5. There are now identified among the scrolls, 19 copies of the Book of Isaiah, 25 copies of Deuteronomy and 30 copies of the Psalms .
6. Prophecies by Ezekiel, Jeremiah and Daniel not found in the Bible are written in the Scrolls.
7. The Isaiah Scroll, found relatively intact, is 1000 years older than any previously known copy of Isaiah. In fact, the scrolls are the oldest group of Old Testament manuscripts ever found.
8. In the Scrolls are found never before seen psalms attributed to King David and Joshua.

9.There are nonbiblical writings along the order of commentaries on the OT, paraphrases that expand on the Law, rule books of the community, war conduct, thanksgiving psalms, hymnic compositions, benedictions, liturgical texts, and sapiential (wisdom) writings.
10. The Scrolls are for the most part, written in Hebrew, but there are many written in Aramaic. Aramaic was the common language of the Jews of Palestine for the last two centuries B.C. and of the first two centuries A.D. The discovery of the Scrolls has greatly enhanced our knowledge of these two languages. In addition, there are a few texts written in Greek.
11. The Scrolls appear to be the library of a Jewish sect. The library was hidden away in caves around the outbreak of the First Jewish Revolt (A.D. 66-70) as the Roman army advanced against the rebel Jews.
12. Near the caves are the ancient ruins of Qumran. They were excavated in the early 1950's and appear to be connected with the scrolls.
13. The Dead Sea Scrolls were most likely written by the Essenes during the period from about 200 B.C. to 68 C.E./A.D. The Essenes are mentioned by Josephus and in a few other sources, but not in the New testament. The Essenes were a strict Torah observant, Messianic, apocalyptic, baptist, wilderness, new covenant Jewish sect. They were led by a priest they called the "Teacher of Righteousness," who was opposed and possibly killed by the establishment priesthood in Jerusalem.
14. The enemies of the Qumran community were called the "Sons of Darkness"; they called themselves the "Sons of Light," "the poor," and members of "the Way." They thought of themselves as "the holy ones," who lived in "the house of holiness," because "the Holy Spirit" dwelt with them.
15. The last words of Joseph, Judah, Levi, Naphtali, and Amram (the father of Moses) are written down in the Scrolls.

16. One of the most curious scrolls is the Copper Scroll. Discovered in Cave 3, this scroll records a list of 64 underground hiding places throughout the land of Israel. The deposits are to contain certain amounts of gold, silver, aromatics, and manuscripts. These are believed to be treasures from the Temple at Jerusalem, that were hidden away for safekeeping.
17. The Temple Scroll, found in Cave 11, is the longest scroll. Its present total length is 26.7 feet (8.148 meters). The overall length of the scroll must have been over 28 feet (8.75m).
18. The scrolls contain previously unknown stories about biblical figures such as Enoch, Abraham, and Noah. The story of Abraham includes an explanation why God asked Abraham to sacrifice his only son Isaac.
19. The scrolls are most commonly made of animal skins, but also papyrus and one of copper. They are written with a carbon-based ink, from right to left, using no punctuation except for an occasional paragraph indentation. In fact, in some cases, there are not even spaces between the words.
20. The Scrolls have revolutionized textual criticism of the Old Testament. Interestingly, now with manuscripts predating the medieval period, we find these texts in substantial agreement with the Masoretic text as well as widely variant forms.

21. Some of the Dead Sea Scrolls actually appeared for sale on June 1, 1954 in the Wall Street Journal. The advertisement read — "The Four Dead Sea Scrolls: Biblical manuscripts dating back to at least 200 BC are for sale. This would be an ideal gift to an educational or religious institution by an individual or group. Box F206."
22. Although the Qumran community existed during the time of the ministry of Jesus, none of the Scrolls refer to Him, nor do they mention any of His follower's described in the New Testament.
23. The major intact texts, from Caves 1 & 11, were published by the late fifties and are now housed in the Shrine of the Book museum in Jerusalem.
24. Since the late fifties, about 40% of the Scrolls, mostly fragments from Cave 4, remained unpublished and were unaccessible. It wasn't until 1991, 44 years after the discovery of the first Scroll, after the pressure for publication mounted, that general access was made available to photographs of the Scrolls. In November of 1991 the photos were published by the Biblical Archaeological Society in a nonofficial edition; a computer reconstruction, based on a concordance, was announced; the Huntington Library pledged to open their microfilm files of all the scroll photographs. 25. The Dead Sea Scrolls enhance our knowledge of both Judaism and Christianity. They represent a non-rabbinic form of Judaism and provide a wealth of comparative material for New Testament scholars, including many important parallels to the Jesus movement. They show Christianity to be rooted in Judaism and have been called the evolutionary link between the two.



Discuss..........

[tater]

I don't think the scrolls are a hoax, but them dating to whatever period says nothing at all about the veracity of any claims they make. I can find papers and books written on the Soviet Union by (apologist) historians that are contemporary to the CCCP, but utterly wrong.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by tater

I don't think the scrolls are a hoax, but them dating to whatever period says nothing at all about the veracity of any claims they make. I can find papers and books written on the Soviet Union by (apologist) historians that are contemporary to the CCCP, but utterly wrong.

True! We must also take into consideration the word of mouth passed from generation to generation then finally put to paper. Stories change and sometimes embellished. There is really no main claim made about the scrolls but we can not just brush it under the carpet. Are these just embellished stories to entertain? Still, it makes one ponder and sometimes makes one create a movie such as the likes of the Indian Jones movies. The Arc of the Covenent and or cup used at the last supper. As strange as the movie might be there are those that find things. You have to admit these scrolls do make one think. Many have spent a better a part of their lives studying these scroll.


Sometimes I wonder what it would be like if 1000 years from now someone finds say, Harry Potter books and says this is how it was back then. Harry was a Warlock or some such thing.

[AVGWarhawk]

Gabriels Vision in stone:

What: Three-foot tall stone inscribed in ink with 87 lines of Hebrew text describing a vision given by the angel Gabriel
When: The stone was written in the 1st century B.C. and it was discovered 8-10 years ago and sold by a Jordanian antiquities dealer to an Israeli-Swiss antiquities collector.
Where: It was found in the vicinity of the Dead Sea, possibly on the Jordanian side. Ada Yardeni: "You have got a Dead Sea Scroll on stone."
Forgery?: Even though this was not uncovered in a legal excavation, scholars believe the inscription to be authentic.
The Sensational Claim: The end of the inscription mentions a messiah who would rise in 3 days. Since the text was written before Jesus' resurrection, it explains how the story of Jesus' resurrection came to be.
The Sensational Quotation: "Resurrection after three days becomes a motif developed before Jesus, which runs contrary to nearly all scholarship. What happens in the New Testament was adopted by Jesus and his followers based on an earlier messiah story" (Israel Knohl, professor of biblical studies at Hebrew University and proponent of this theory).