Thanks for al the fish! - Page 5

jdkbph · 04-27-10, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

That is not actually the case. Here it is, cut and pasted from the FAQ (bolding and underlining mine).

Quote:
We do NOT allow discussion or even mention of warez,abandonware, peer-to-peer game swapping, game cracks, illegal download sites, or illegal file-sharing.

OK fair enough. Then lets apply the rule consistently.

If I, or anyone else, mentions the prohibited words (by which I presume we mean to use one or more of these words in any context what-so-ever) in a post on this board, the thread should be locked - as it was in this case under discussion - and the user warned.

Sounds draconian to me, but as you said, it's Neal's house.

Quote:

Originally Posted by John Channing

If a member wishes to challenge a Moderator action that involves the member, this challenge must be raised in private via PM or email, not in public.

Thanks for that clarification.

JD

04-27-10, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Subsim Review has a good working relationship with the game industry. In order to keep that good relationship some mutual support is required. On the industry's part this means that Neal gets some inside access, and is treated as a respected equal. On Neal's part it means that he doesn't allow anything that will harm the industry or the relationship.

This doesn't mean he can't or won't say things are good when actually they are bad (just read his SH5 review), and it doesn't mean he's in anybody's pocket. It just means that he has a good relationship and it's in everybody's interest to keep it that way.

That's just what I gather - I don't actually know anything.

Thanks Seve,

Thats pretty much what I had assumed too, I just wanted it clarifying. In that case it makes perfect sense to say 'no' to threads discussing cracks! People in the gaming industry aren't going to want Neal over to preview a new upcoming game if his forum is littered with people discussing cracks. In effect, Neal IS a member of the gaming industry, and so (through his forum) should be setting an example!

I think that clears it up quite nicely.

Chaps, there are other forums that discuss cracks, some even discuss how to make your own no-cd patches. But we all need to do is remember that its not what we do here. Afterall, I think that most of us, if we had our own forum, would have certain topics that weren't up for discussion.

Moeceefus · 04-27-10, 03:01 PM

i cant believe this arguement is still going on. simply because, there is no arguement. the rules are the rules, period. we all agreed to them on sign up and it is nobody's right to question them. people can try to pick apart the wording and make silly assertions as to how they dont apply to this case, but why? are you practicing contract lawyers? if you cant abide by the rules then go elsewhere. start your own site and play the boss there. being part of the community here is a priviledge that other people pay for. they dont have to do this, so the least you can do is respect them and thier rules. its not your place to question any of thier decisions. mind your manners and be thankful for this site.

Jimbuna · 04-27-10, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Moeceefus

i cant believe this arguement is still going on. simply because, there is no arguement. the rules are the rules, period. we all agreed to them on sign up and it is nobody's right to question them. people can try to pick apart the wording and make silly assertions as to how they dont apply to this case, but why? are you practicing contract lawyers? if you cant abide by the rules then go elsewhere. start your own site and play the boss there. being part of the community here is a priviledge that other people pay for. they dont have to do this, so the least you can do is respect them and thier rules. its not your place to question any of thier decisions. mind your manners and be thankful for this site.

+1 this post from a relitively new member of our community

gimpy117 · 04-27-10, 04:20 PM

I think the discussion has more moved to the question of if the current rules are a bit harsh

sergei · 04-27-10, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimbuna

+1 this post from a relitively new member of our community

Seconded.
Good post Moeceefus.

theluckyone17 · 04-27-10, 04:48 PM

Looks to me like the rules weren't applied consistently... and that's what's probably got UG a bit upset.

The rule quoted above is cut and dry. Before the aforementioned incident with UG's thread, I believe there were a few threads referencing other sites proclaiming the "news" that Ubisoft's OSP/DRM had been cracked.

I do remember Neal & the gang stating that they'd relax a bit, allow everyone to complain about the DRM a bit, then start tightening down once our emotions ran their course and we calmed down a bit.

Where I think things fell apart is when UG sees his thread get locked, responds personally (not thinking it's simply the beginning of the "anti-crack lockdown"), and blows it out of proportion. Quite frankly, in my opinion, the reason for locking the threads down could've been a bit better explained and more light hearted ("Sorry, UG... we're not going to discuss the existence of a crack anymore... you know why. We've let things get a little lax around here, and we're going to start enforcing *that* rule more often from now on.")

Instead, people take things personally and the whole thing blows up. Doesn't help that there are people who feel strongly about the DRM/OSP (on both sides), and I have a feeling those opinions are carrying over into this...

John Channing · 04-27-10, 05:42 PM

The bottom line is this.

The Forum rules were violated not once, but three times, by the same poster.

The poster did not reveive a temporary ban, permanent ban or any type of sanction at all. All that was done was the offending threads were closed to prevent what would have surely turned into a discussion about the you-know-what..

The OP then decided to "leave" (in a most dramatic fashion).

If anyone wants to leave the Forums that is their right. I have never understood why people have to make public pronouncements about their leaving (when I decided to leave the cesspoll that Frugal's had turned into I just stopped posting... because I knew my leaving wouldn't make a particle of difference) but hey... that's just me. To each their own.

He is welcome to come back. Unless you are a Spambot or a constant violater we don't delete people's accounts. It was his decision to go. No one pushed him.

And rules are rules.

JCC

captainprid · 04-27-10, 06:07 PM

It is ironic....actually incredibly ironic that this thread has become what Uber wanted in his second thread. Infact if the rules were levelled, this thread would be locked

longam · 04-27-10, 06:13 PM

Quote:

If anyone wants to leave the Forums that is their right. I have never understood why people have to make public pronouncements about their leaving (when I decided to leave the cesspoll that Frugal's had turned into I just stopped posting... because I knew my leaving wouldn't make a particle of difference) but hey... that's just me. To each their own.

Have to wonder why myself on that point. The drama queen syndrome I guess.

pythos · 04-27-10, 08:09 PM

NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY seems to ACTUALLY read the friggin threads!!!. They just jump in.

Did any one see my post with the actual line that shoots the whole argument was indeed posted.

The debate is over. DONE!!! FINITO!!!

But for crying out loud READ THE POSTS before spouting off, PLEASE.

Reaves · 04-27-10, 08:42 PM

Rule 1. Don't talk about piracy.

Even when it is a legitimate topic
Rule 2. Don't insult our beloved UBISOFT
Rule 3... Ahh who cares anymore this place is starting to blow...

mookiemookie · 04-27-10, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaves

Rule 1. Don't talk about piracy.

Even when it is a legitimate topic
Rule 2. Don't insult our beloved UBISOFT
Rule 3... Ahh who cares anymore this place is starting to blow...

Rule 1 has been a rule forever. Rule 2 doesn't exist and never has. Therefore, I'm having a hard time seeing how this place has changed at all.

Onkel Neal · 04-27-10, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Reaves

Rule 1. Don't talk about piracy.

Even when it is a legitimate topic
Rule 2. Don't insult our beloved UBISOFT
Rule 3... Ahh who cares anymore this place is starting to blow...

I believe the reason this forum became popular and attracted a large following is because, for the most part, people here were sensible. You don't have to post here, no one is forcing you.

As for the subject of cracks, the rules, the way people will take a mile when you give them an inch, and how I feel about people who rip off games that the rest of us have to pay for... that's been covered a hundred times here. I just can't go over it again.

ReallyDedPoet · 04-27-10, 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mookiemookie

Rule 1 has been a rule forever. Rule 2 doesn't exist and never has. Therefore, I'm having a hard time seeing how this place has changed at all.

As well things seem to get a little crazy here every time a new sim is released, especially anything Silent Hunter. In all of that, the FAQ & Rules seem to get lost in the mix, or are thrown out the window, to bad as they have made this place what it is today, or at least helped.

After all it's not SUBSIM " Anything Goes ".com

04-27-10, 04:20 PM	#65
gimpy117 Ocean Warrior Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Kalamazoo, MI Posts: 3,243 Downloads: 108 Uploads: 0	I think the discussion has more moved to the question of if the current rules are a bit harsh __________________ Member of the Subsim Zombie Army

04-27-10, 05:42 PM	#68
John Channing Sea Lord Join Date: Sep 1998 Posts: 1,846 Downloads: 163 Uploads: 5	The bottom line is this. The Forum rules were violated not once, but three times, by the same poster. The poster did not reveive a temporary ban, permanent ban or any type of sanction at all. All that was done was the offending threads were closed to prevent what would have surely turned into a discussion about the you-know-what.. The OP then decided to "leave" (in a most dramatic fashion). If anyone wants to leave the Forums that is their right. I have never understood why people have to make public pronouncements about their leaving (when I decided to leave the cesspoll that Frugal's had turned into I just stopped posting... because I knew my leaving wouldn't make a particle of difference) but hey... that's just me. To each their own. He is welcome to come back. Unless you are a Spambot or a constant violater we don't delete people's accounts. It was his decision to go. No one pushed him. And rules are rules. JCC Last edited by John Channing; 04-27-10 at 07:02 PM.

04-27-10, 06:07 PM	#69
captainprid Watch Officer Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Blackpool, England Posts: 347 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	It is ironic....actually incredibly ironic that this thread has become what Uber wanted in his second thread. Infact if the rules were levelled, this thread would be locked __________________ Freedom of the press is guaranteed only to those who own one. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Cry 'Havoc,' and let slip the dogs of war;

04-27-10, 08:09 PM	#71
pythos Grey Wolf Join Date: May 2005 Location: Somewhere over there Posts: 834 Downloads: 46 Uploads: 0	NOBODY, AND I MEAN NOBODY seems to ACTUALLY read the friggin threads!!!. They just jump in. Did any one see my post with the actual line that shoots the whole argument was indeed posted. The debate is over. DONE!!! FINITO!!! But for crying out loud READ THE POSTS before spouting off, PLEASE. Last edited by pythos; 04-28-10 at 01:33 AM.

04-27-10, 08:42 PM	#72
Reaves The Old Man Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 1,509 Downloads: 4 Uploads: 0	Rule 1. Don't talk about piracy. Even when it is a legitimate topic Rule 2. Don't insult our beloved UBISOFT Rule 3... Ahh who cares anymore this place is starting to blow... __________________

04-27-10, 03:01 PM	#63
Moeceefus 中国水兵 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: New York Posts: 278 Downloads: 43 Uploads: 0	i cant believe this arguement is still going on. simply because, there is no arguement. the rules are the rules, period. we all agreed to them on sign up and it is nobody's right to question them. people can try to pick apart the wording and make silly assertions as to how they dont apply to this case, but why? are you practicing contract lawyers? if you cant abide by the rules then go elsewhere. start your own site and play the boss there. being part of the community here is a priviledge that other people pay for. they dont have to do this, so the least you can do is respect them and thier rules. its not your place to question any of thier decisions. mind your manners and be thankful for this site.

04-27-10, 04:48 PM	#67
theluckyone17 Captain Join Date: May 2006 Location: Niskayuna, NY Posts: 482 Downloads: 103 Uploads: 0	Looks to me like the rules weren't applied consistently... and that's what's probably got UG a bit upset. The rule quoted above is cut and dry. Before the aforementioned incident with UG's thread, I believe there were a few threads referencing other sites proclaiming the "news" that Ubisoft's OSP/DRM had been cracked. I do remember Neal & the gang stating that they'd relax a bit, allow everyone to complain about the DRM a bit, then start tightening down once our emotions ran their course and we calmed down a bit. Where I think things fell apart is when UG sees his thread get locked, responds personally (not thinking it's simply the beginning of the "anti-crack lockdown"), and blows it out of proportion. Quite frankly, in my opinion, the reason for locking the threads down could've been a bit better explained and more light hearted ("Sorry, UG... we're not going to discuss the existence of a crack anymore... you know why. We've let things get a little lax around here, and we're going to start enforcing that rule more often from now on.") Instead, people take things personally and the whole thing blows up. Doesn't help that there are people who feel strongly about the DRM/OSP (on both sides), and I have a feeling those opinions are carrying over into this...