Amnesty...

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

You are correct that the old white male turnout is fairly consistent, but that's not the point here.

True...not the point. He is dividing, segregating and doing everything against what he campaigned for in 08. I sense a struggling president who feels he is losing support across the board. What is really needed is a cleaning of Congress.

[GoldenRivet]

Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

True...not the point. He is dividing, segregating and doing everything against what he campaigned for in 08. I sense a struggling president who feels he is losing support across the board. What is really needed is a cleaning of Congress.

100% spot on post

You are correct that the old white male turnout is fairly consistent, but that's not the point here

It is the point, there is no need to appeal to something there is no need to appeal to.

He is dividing, segregating and doing everything against what he campaigned for in 08.

Is he really?
He campaigned to get people who don't normally bother with politics involved in the last election, he is asking those same people to stay involved in the next election.
That isn't dividing and segregating, that is including.

I sense a struggling president who feels he is losing support across the board.

Thats the job description isn't it.

What is really needed is a cleaning of Congress.

That ain't gonna happen , you will get the same old faces with a sprinkling of new faces that turn into the same old faces they replaced.
You could of course have a revolution, and replace the current bunch of muppets with a whole new fresh bunch of muppets...but you will still be left with a bunch of muppets in power won't you.

[CaptainHaplo]

Its called Arizona - and the fact that a state has decided to do what the federal government REFUSES to do - secure the borders and enforce existing law. Because of it, now liberals are calling for a massive effort on immigration reform - without securing the borders. Obama has asked the Justice department to look into the legality of a state actually doing something without his permission, and a few dems are even calling on the federal government to "not answer the phone" when illegals are caught...

Steamwake had this one nailed - and its hitting the fan as we speak.
Good for Arizona - and good for the US - its forcing the hands of the dems to show even further what they are......

Obama has asked the Justice department to look into the legality of a state actually doing something without his permission, and a few dems are even calling on the federal government to "not answer the phone" when illegals are caught...

While Arizona is busy trying to work out how on earth they can possibly make the law they wrote work without it breaking the law

Though I think my favourite bit of the legislation is about making illegals pay their bills, thats gonna cost the State a fortune.

[AVGWarhawk]

Is he really?
He campaigned to get people who don't normally bother with politics involved in the last election, he is asking those same people to stay involved in the next election.
That isn't dividing and segregating, that is including.

That is your perspective.

[ETR3(SS)]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

That isn't dividing and segregating, that is including.

You can't include someone without excluding someone else in politics.

You can't include someone without excluding someone else in politics.

So if he makes an address about problems with nuclear proliferation in the far east and says N Korea must comply with inspections it means Iran can do what it wants as its excluded.
Since he is including those who were usually excluded and as those who were not usually excluded are usually included without being addressed he isn't excluding anyone.
If however he had said he wants regular voters to not vote and only people who voted for the first time last time to vote then he would be excluding people.

That is your perspective.

Can you demonstrate how that perspective is wrong?

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Can you demonstrate how that perspective is wrong?

I never said it was wrong...I said it was your perspective. Furthermore, Obama will have to reach out again to these people because quite frankly they are no better off now than two years ago. You for some reason believe these folks are ready to run out and vote again because, after all, Obama is paying their mortgage and they now have "free" healthcare that is no good until four years from now. The "free" part seems to have illuded quite a few. Also, if Obama did not feel threatened in his current position then why the commercials. If all was well under his administration why the posture of appealing to the masses that voted for him in 08? You are looking at a embattle president.

I never said it was wrong...I said it was your perspective.

Wheras its easy to show how your perspective was wrong.
And it a matter of simplicity to show Steamwakes perspective is away on another planet

Furthermore, Obama will have to reach out again to these people because quite frankly they are no better off now than two years ago.

Hold on, people here have regularly claimed that only white people get screwed by the government, so surely lots of these people must be better off than they were two years ago

You for some reason believe these folks are ready to run out and vote again

Errrr...if they was regular voters they might be expected to run out and vote again, since they are not regular voters they can't be expected to run out again which is why they specificly need to be addressed.

Also, if Obama did not feel threatened in his current position then why the commercials.

Its an election campaign, what do you expect?

If all was well under his administration why the posture of appealing to the masses that voted for him in 08?

In an election do you expect a politician to not appeal for the votes of people that voted for them last time?

You are looking at a embattle president.

thats the job description

[AVGWarhawk]

Wheras its easy to show how your perspective was wrong.
And it a matter of simplicity to show Steamwakes perspective is away on another planet

I did not set out to show anyone wrong. That is your modus operandi.

Hold on, people here have regularly claimed that only white people get screwed by the government, so surely lots of these people must be better off than they were two years ago

Please point out were this regulary happens. Surely, everyone is being taxed more. Wake up and read the papers.

Errrr...if they was regular voters they might be expected to run out and vote again, since they are not regular voters they can't be expected to run out again which is why they specificly need to be addressed.

What part of the disillusionment of these voters who got on the rolls for Obama in 08 do you not understand? Furthermore, you now think these people will not go out again and vote. Why? Are they just part of the herd that need prodding in your mind?

thats the job description

No it is not. It is called working together. Bipartisanship. The country has seen none of that. Just another promise dashed upon the shores.

I did not set out to show anyone wrong. That is your modus operandi.

Wrong, I set out to explore the topic in question.

Please point out were this regulary happens.

Look at any recenttopic where people moan about their taxes and have to inflate their actual liability to make it sound as if they really have something to moan about.

Surely, everyone is being taxed more. Wake up and read the papers.

You mean like the things that appeared here on tax day which said most people are are paying less?
I suppose you could go on one of Taters posts where he says about the growing number of people who are below the income threshold.

What part of the disillusionment of these voters who got on the rolls for Obama in 08 do you not understand?

I understand it fine.

Furthermore, you now think these people will not go out again and vote.

History would suggest that may be so.

Why? Are they just part of the herd that need prodding in your mind?

Voters are part of the herd, they do need a constant prodding, though in this case as its a mid term. I am sure you can work out for yourself what mid terms mean in terms of voter turnout.

No it is not. It is called working together. Bipartisanship.

Bipartisanship?????in an election campaign where it is one party fighting to win against the other

[AVGWarhawk]

Wrong, I set out to explore the topic in question

Check your posts again.....#53. You do not explore anything. You argue for the sake of arguing. Nothing more. Again, your modus operandi.

Look at any recenttopic where people moan about their taxes and have to inflate their actual liability to make it sound as if they really have something to moan about.

Your answer sucks. Everyone moans about taxes....it just is not a white thing.

You mean like the things that appeared here on tax day which said most people are are paying less?

Tax day? Everyday is tax day here. Sure, the extra $3 a week was a cut under Obama but in one year is was gone and doubled for most. Ask my wife. Lest we forget sales tax and property taxes that have risen in the past two years. The tax system is more complex than just what the Federal Government is taxing.

History would suggest that may be so.

No it would not. There was no history of a mass of non-voters making their way to the polls then stopping. This was the first unprecidented turn out...ever!

Voters are part of the herd, they do need a constant prodding, though in this case as its a mid term. I am sure you can work out for yourself what mid terms mean in terms of voter turnout.

No I can't. Please elaborate.

Bipartisanship?????in an election campaign where it is one party fighting to win against the other

No, the topic is the broken promise of many by Obama. In short, we will just call it a lie. This is only part of the disillusionment concern Obama and his failing policies/legislations.

Check your posts again.....#53. You do not explore anything. You argue for the sake of arguing. Nothing more. Again, your modus operandi.

Errrrrr....Is English your language?

Your answer sucks. Everyone moans about taxes....it just is not a white thing.

Yet people here like GR complain that their tax liabilities are more because white people just don't get the same treatment as everyone else.
Its not that my answer sucks, its that someone raises the issue of skin colour in rants about their tax.

Tax day?

Yes tax day , it was in the newspapers, you know the news which you suggested people should wake up and read.

Lest we forget sales tax and property taxes that have risen in the past two years. The tax system is more complex than just what the Federal Government is taxing.

So when he said about income tax for the majority of people he meant income tax for the majority of people . Damn that was unexpected
Since those are local taxes for local people by local government you mention what does that have to do with the president?

No it would not. There was no history of a mass of non-voters making their way to the polls then stopping. This was the first unprecidented turn out...ever!

Errrrrr......lets do that and this

No I can't. Please elaborate.

What is the pattern of voter turnout between main elections and the mid terms?
If even regular voters are less inclined to turn out for mid terms what would that suggest of those who rarely vote anyway?

No, the topic is the broken promise of many by Obama.

For starters the topic started off with some conspiracy about a magic amnesty giving instant citizenship so the President could add millions of new votes to his party in the mid terms.
Then it was revived with an appeal for people who voted last time to vote again which apparently proves the conspiracy about millions of instant citizens voting in the mid terms.
But if you want to deal with the "broken promises" .
Seriously, he is a politician, do you expect any different?

[AVGWarhawk]

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