Obama rips pending Arizona immigrant law ! (politics)

SteamWake · 04-23-10, 10:33 AM

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Such legislation could "threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as Americans," the president said during a naturalization ceremony for members of the United States Armed Services.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/36735281

"Fairness" . . How about the immigrants start paying some taxes? That sounds fair to me.

ivank · 04-23-10, 02:13 PM

He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

AVGWarhawk · 04-23-10, 02:16 PM

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"Fairness" . . How about the immigrants start paying some taxes? That sounds fair to me.

Agreed.....

Freiwillige · 04-23-10, 05:07 PM

Well its now signed into law!

Thank goodness.

ivank · 04-23-10, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Freiwillige

Well its now signed into law!

Thank goodness.

04-24-10, 07:00 AM

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Obama called the Arizona bill "misguided"

It is certainly that.
Wow they are going to have to work out a policy they can use and then retrain all law enforcement officials in how to apply the law without bringing in a pile of lawsuits they would have no chance of winning.
So thats going to be expensive, expensive and very very very expensive.
Isn't it funny that those who seem to be so in favour of this populist knee jerk legislation are those who complain about paying more in taxes.

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He is an idiot.
Illegal is ILLEGAL!!

Its the Unabomber again

So ivank, how wise is it to call somone an idiot when you demonstrate that you don't understand the topic or what was said?

Torvald Von Mansee · 04-24-10, 07:02 AM

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're all white males, and have never been profiled in your lives.

If you're a law abiding American citizen and happen to be Hispanic, would you be annoyed if you constantly got pulled over by the cops just because of how you look?

04-24-10, 07:15 AM

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would you be annoyed if you constantly got pulled over by the cops just because of how you look?

But they can't do that as it would be illegal, and remember illegal is illegal which is why they have left themselves open to a rash of lawsuits.

I like the bit that they can't legally ask a person born in America for their status, but can legally ask an American citizen who was not born there their status and can legally ask an illegal alien.
How are they going to train the officers how to determine who they can ask for proof of status and who they can arrest for not complying with that request.
Some muppets in politics in Arizona really didn't think this populist crap through did they

SteamWake · 04-24-10, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribesman

Its the Unabomber again

Well that dident take long.

Honestly cant you find some new tactics other than name calling?

Ishmael · 04-24-10, 10:01 AM

This law effectively mandates that police can stop ANYBODY to determine their citizenship status at any time. If you can't PROVE your citizenship, you can be arrested. So my question is this.

What if the Pima or White Mountain Apache Tribal Police were to start stopping every white person they saw and make them prove THEIR citizenship status?

Both reservations are in Arizona. The governor already said the law would not be an excuse for racial profiling, so targeting only brown-skinned people is illegal.

If I were a member of the Tribal Police, I'd probably do it just for fun. When the people I stopped got Irate and belligerent, my answer would be,

"We've been Americans for 11,000 years. When did YOU Wetbacks show up?"

04-24-10, 10:07 AM

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Well that dident take long.

True, it didn't take long to see why this new move to control illegal immigration in Arizona was a pile of crap.

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Honestly cant you find some new tactics other than name calling?

Its makes the point doesn't it.
Its pretty evident that the majority of the time when someone uses Caps Lock to emphasise their point it ends up that their point is bollox.

Since Theo was famous for using Caps Lock when he was just ranting nonsense its quite appropriate.

Though then again, given the legal complications of the new State legislation (which isn't actually legal yet) and the old state legislation and problems trying to mix and match them with Federal legislation so that the laws and the enforcements of the laws are legal not illegal even though illegal is illegal and legal is legal and legal can be illegal then maybe ivank was doing a really clever joke and laughing at the legislators down Arizona way and paying a backhanded compliment to Obama as he was an idiot calling this legislation "misguided", he should have called it "stupidity" instead.

SteamWake · 04-24-10, 10:10 AM

So a law to control illegal activity is a pile of crap?

Wow.. I'm going back to bed. I woke up in an alternate universe.

Not to worry though your man is on the case !

http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/20...na-action.html

04-24-10, 10:19 AM

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So a law to control illegal activity is a pile of crap?

Writing a law that cannot really work legally is a waste of paper.
Trying to enforce a law that cannot really work legally is a waste of taxpayers money when they have to pay up for all the inevitable lawsuits.

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Wow.. I'm going back to bed. I woke up in an alternate universe.

You just havn't thought about the issue in hand which is why you can't understand it

In fact it could be said that you are just having a knee jerk reaction to what is really a knee jerk piece of legislation.

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Not to worry though your man is on the case !

He's your man steamwake , like it or not.
As for him being on the case??????
errr........Nice link , did you even read the link you started the topic with? Or was that just a knee jerk reaction you had while skimming headlines?

SteamWake · 04-24-10, 10:33 AM

Yea pretty sure that article is related.

Anyhow the time has come to quit arguing.

baggygreen · 04-27-10, 08:00 AM

Question.

Why is it not okay to build a fence to keep the illegals out of the US, not to mention the drug runners, but it is also not ok to take steps to remove the illegal immigrants from your country?

Frankly, to me as an outsider to your situation, the fact that there are 600,000 illegals in one state alone is terrifying. Since when has it become such a bad thing for people to want to keep their state or country secure, and to control who comes into the country or state and when?

We face the same issues here, in that the illegal immigrants keep arriving by boat from indonesia and malaysia. Some people don't recognise that the boat people are not true refugees. With the average cost of a boat fare around $10,000 per person, how can they be seen as a genuine, desperate refugee by anyone?

We take a large number of legitimate refugees from UN-run camps in a quota endorsed by the UN. What people don't realise is that these economic migrants arriving by boat are taking up a spot from someone who is busy languishing in a camp.

A quiet (not silent) majority want our borders secure and to decide who comes to Oz, but we're being shouted down by the minority - just for a change.

So why is it so wrong to want to control your borders?

04-23-10, 02:13 PM	#2
ivank The Old Man Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Huntington, Long Island, New York Posts: 1,426 Downloads: 284 Uploads: 0	He is an idiot. Illegal is ILLEGAL!! __________________ Head of The Surface Warfare Super-Mod Team Leutnant z. S. David U. Ziegler U-105 IXB On Patrol 1

04-24-10, 07:02 AM	#7
Torvald Von Mansee Sea Lord Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: CA4528 Posts: 1,693 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I'm going to go out on a limb and guess you're all white males, and have never been profiled in your lives. If you're a law abiding American citizen and happen to be Hispanic, would you be annoyed if you constantly got pulled over by the cops just because of how you look? __________________ "You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you" - Leon Trotsky

04-24-10, 10:10 AM	#12
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	So a law to control illegal activity is a pile of crap? Wow.. I'm going back to bed. I woke up in an alternate universe. Not to worry though your man is on the case ! http://preview.bloomberg.com/news/20...na-action.html __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

04-24-10, 10:33 AM	#14
SteamWake Rear Admiral Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 13,224 Downloads: 5 Uploads: 0	Yea pretty sure that article is related. Anyhow the time has come to quit arguing. __________________ Follow the progress of Mr. Mulligan : http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=147648

04-23-10, 05:07 PM	#4
Freiwillige The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Phx. Az Posts: 1,458 Downloads: 24 Uploads: 0	Well its now signed into law! Thank goodness.

04-24-10, 10:01 AM	#10
Ishmael Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Morro Bay, Ca. Posts: 659 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	This law effectively mandates that police can stop ANYBODY to determine their citizenship status at any time. If you can't PROVE your citizenship, you can be arrested. So my question is this. What if the Pima or White Mountain Apache Tribal Police were to start stopping every white person they saw and make them prove THEIR citizenship status? Both reservations are in Arizona. The governor already said the law would not be an excuse for racial profiling, so targeting only brown-skinned people is illegal. If I were a member of the Tribal Police, I'd probably do it just for fun. When the people I stopped got Irate and belligerent, my answer would be, "We've been Americans for 11,000 years. When did YOU Wetbacks show up?"

04-27-10, 08:00 AM	#15
baggygreen Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canberra, ACT, Down Under (really On Top) Posts: 1,880 Downloads: 7 Uploads: 0	Question. Why is it not okay to build a fence to keep the illegals out of the US, not to mention the drug runners, but it is also not ok to take steps to remove the illegal immigrants from your country? Frankly, to me as an outsider to your situation, the fact that there are 600,000 illegals in one state alone is terrifying. Since when has it become such a bad thing for people to want to keep their state or country secure, and to control who comes into the country or state and when? We face the same issues here, in that the illegal immigrants keep arriving by boat from indonesia and malaysia. Some people don't recognise that the boat people are not true refugees. With the average cost of a boat fare around $10,000 per person, how can they be seen as a genuine, desperate refugee by anyone? We take a large number of legitimate refugees from UN-run camps in a quota endorsed by the UN. What people don't realise is that these economic migrants arriving by boat are taking up a spot from someone who is busy languishing in a camp. A quiet (not silent) majority want our borders secure and to decide who comes to Oz, but we're being shouted down by the minority - just for a change. So why is it so wrong to want to control your borders?